coming up, the power player of this week, hamilton lane's erik hirsch tells us that he is worried about an economic downturn. erik: the data is starting to tell you, caution, caution. we are getting closer. ♪ lisa: i'm lisa abramowicz. this is bloomberg's "money undercover." time for a look at some of the most notable names in private markets. to be or not to be public, that is the question -- one that erik hirsch addressed when he sat down with me recently. fewer companies choosing to ipo. there's plenty of money on the other side in private funds keeping them afloat. take a listen to what he had to say about that and the broader private asset industry. erik: you are starting to see this tension between founder entrepreneur and investors. not everyone is on the same page of where they are driving the businesses. what is also not clear is whether those founder entrepreneurs want to be public and deal with the regulation, deal with public shareholders. at some point, you have a problem around how you ultimately get out of things that are that big without going public. lisa: there is this