bitcoin that's sort of a guess in a nutshell some of the demographics if you will of my analysing what hamlyn typically you know what your journey there are preceding how did you get into this yes if i'm a i like most people 1st time i heard it was like slashdot article and maybe 2011 or 12 i disregarded it at that point and then it was only in late 2012 funnily enough i read an article by erik boy he's and that was my moment where i came to be quinn and it just to me it was like whoa this is amazing this is incredible and obviously having being interested in austrian economics and monetary theory for some time i was obviously already skeptical of central banking and of money and i was already very amenable to the idea because and then once i sold the potential i just went down that rabbit hole and i've just not been i was still thinking about because and since and we've been learning and learning and learning and i mean as you know it's a very very deep rabbit hole and you can get stuck down different pathways but ultimately for me that caused me to then go and really go back and study some