this is a 39 year-old derek hammond. hammond works at the valley medical center as a security officer. he was arrested back on march 19th after a lengthy investigation. all these big guns wereof his vw adults however were juveniles at the time have bee it happend. new concerns tonight about the safety of the new eastern span of the bay bridge.? independent engineers have documents about the bridge's construciton. they have concluded, there is rust in the strands and rods, which make up the main cable of the self -anchored suspension span.. compromise the longevity of the bridge as well its performance in the event of an earthquake, but bay bridge officials do not agree with that conclusion. because they say they are not seeing rust in those areas. bridge officials say, its pfft engineers have inspected those areas. and only found rust from the zinc based paint, and from the steel where the paint has chipped off. reseal those areas. free on bail tonight. prosecutors say they are waiting for more information before filing

derek hammond was arrested last month. not clear why the public was just now learning about the case. hammond was hired by santa clara county to provide security at valley medical center. not sure what led investigators to hammond or how many children he's accused of molesting. but police say all of his alleged victims are now adults. he's also charged with possessing child pornography. >>> san jose may have found a solution to end the city's shortage of police officers. today, santa clara county supervisors will talk about letting sheriff's deputies help out san jose police. the idea came after the city was only able to fill about half of the open 60 slots in the most recent police academy. the leftover cash could go to pay for sheriff's deputies. some people in the area, with rising crime rates, support this idea. but san jose's mother is not so sure. >> they have extras and, yeah, it makes sense to send them to the area that has more crime. >> i just don't think it's a practical idea. i assume that somehow the county sh

hammond is being held without bail. he's scheduled to enter a plea on may 16th. >>> santa clara sheriff's deputies may be put to work in san jose. the county board of supervisors will be discussing the idea tomorrow to help boost the number of patrol officers in san jose. the city has been dealing with a dwindling police force. it began with budget cut and pension reforms. the county would offer the services on a contract basis. deputies will likely patrol near county borders like transit lines and unincorporated parts of the city. >>> a witness needs to come forward tonight. a woman who may have witnessed the sexual assault in a public park. deborah at gabrielson park. >> investigators say a woman was lourdes in to was lured by --s lured by meeting for drinks by a man offering to help her get a job. >> reporter: a woman says she's been raped and has locked herself in, pleading for police to come. waiting outside the door, her alleged attacker who was arrested without even realizing she's on the phone. >> we're still in

(calling names) >> good afternoon, commissioners aim jane hammond i own jane hammond events i've been there since 19898. i feel a lot of this commonality but i want to stay in the shipyards its a phenomenal exultant. i want to address job creations i have in the 28 years i've pled 5 or 6 hundred people san francisco jobs. i'm proud. they're not all quick jobs my achieve chief has been there 28 years and my dishwasher has been there 28 years. it's a phenomenal company we're so excited to move into a new kitchen with sanitation and public health department and all sciences things we can't wait for our new kitchen. (calling names) >> good afternoon. i'm ernest east i'm the owner of - honorable commissioners and chairperson johnson pleasure to be here. just wanted to say many establishments with my business is a small backing company i've been with the elliptic cookery since 2000. we've managed a small elevator of businesses we've seen businesses come and go but during the mind at elliptic cookery i've received any awards with special recognition from the speaker of the house nancy pelosi

hammond is being held without bail. he's scheduled to enter a plea on may 16th. >>> santa clara sheriff's deputies may be put to work in san jose. the county board of supervisors will be discussing the idea tomorrow to help boost the number of patrol officers in san jose. the city has been dealing with a dwindling police force. it began with budget cut and pension reforms. the county would offer the services on a contract basis. deputies will likely patrol near county borders like transit lines and unincorporated parts of the city. >>> a witness needs to come forward tonight. a woman who may have witnessed the sexual assault in a public park. deborah at gabrielson park. >> investigators say a woman was lourdes in to was lured by --s lured by meeting for drinks by a man offering to help her get a job. >> reporter: a woman says she's been raped and has locked herself in, pleading for police to come. waiting outside the door, her alleged attacker who was arrested without even realizing she's on the phone. >> we're still in

hammond protective services officer at valley medical center. investigators now looking through his tech items to see if there is more chilled pornography. >> tonight hundreds gather in southern confidential to remember teenager who lost his life in the deadly bus crash west of check o. adrian castro one of 10 people killed on interstate 5. family friend held a gathering today in his honor at el monte. castro a popular student there well on the football field and in the class room and tonight stories were shared and talked about the man he was becoming. >> he made an impact in everyone's life. i'm sorry. sfichlt worst thing ever the but it make everything feel better when you have so much support. >>reporter: today investigators requested photographs and video. witness took of the wreck to help them determine just what happened. >> we have new details tonight. woman survived after jumping in front of a bart train late this afternoon in do you want san francisco. witnesses saw the woman leap off the mr. form at the montgomery station at 4:50 this

. >> >> hammond police are looking for a 17 year-old teenager from hammond. she has been missing for 10 days. she was last seen april 7th wearing a black north face jacket. >> and police are asking anyone with information to give them a call. >> in hand with more of the indictment. explosive corruption allegations against the sitting may ear of like station. an administrative assistant. accused of illegally tapping into campaign funds as well as a food pantry fund. his defense lawyer says the allegations are untrue. every penny they never received from the campaign fund was reimbursement for expenses they have personally incurred on behalf of the campaign. therefore there is no act of fraud. >> the defense lawyer accompanying his clients to the federal courthouse in indiana where they voluntarily surrendered to federal marshals this morning. >> accused of theft and bankruptcy fraud and a second indictment. of this to help pay for personal expenses. the port gerbil filing campaign reports and defense lawyers as the food pantry charges are simply untrue. >> we

hammond protective services officer at valley medical center.nvestigators now looking through his tech items to see if there is more chilled pornography. >> tonight hundreds gather in southern confidential to remember teenager who lost his life in the deadly bus crash west of check o. adrian castro one of 10 people killed on interstate 5. family friend held a gathering today in his honor at el monte. castro a popular student there well on the football field and in the class room and tonight stories were shared and talked about the man he was becoming. >> he made an impact in everyone's life. i'm sorry. sfichlt worst thing ever the but it make everything feel better when you have so much support. >>reporter: today investigators requested photographs and video. witness took of the wreck to help them determine just what happened. >> we have new details tonight. woman survived after jumping in front of a bart train late this afternoon in do you want saw witnesses saw the woman leap off the mr. form at the montgomery street station at 4:50 this after

hammond protective services officer at valley medical center. investigators now looking through his tech items to see if there is more chilled pornography. >> tonight hundreds gather in southern confidential to remember teenager who lost his life in the deadly bus crash west of check o. adrian castro one of 10 people killed on interstate 5. family friend held a gathering today in his honor at el monte. castro a popular student there well on the football field and in the class room and tonight stories were shared and talked about the man he was becoming. >> he made an impact in everyone's life. i'm sorry. sfichlt worst thing ever the but it make everything feel better when you have so much support. >>reporter: today investigators requested photographs and video. witness took of the wreck to help them determine just what happened. >> we have new details tonight. woman survived after jumping in front of a bart train late this afternoon in do you want san francisco. witnesses saw the woman leap off the mr. form at the montgomery street station at 4:

. >>> derek hammond was arrested last month, not sure why the public is just learning about the case. hired by santa clara county and not clear what led investigators to hammond or how many children he is accused of molesting. but police say all of his victims are now adults. >>> police have new security camera footage will help them find a person who set fire to officers used by children's hospital oakland. this video was just released yesterday. it shows a man behind the building just before the fire was reported. described as white, balding and between 30 and 40 years old and wearing a checkered shirt and white pants. that fire started at 2:00 in the morning on april 4th. san jose may have found a solution to end the shortage of police officers. letting sheriff deputies help out san jose police. theioid came after the city was only able to fill half of the open 60 slots and the most recent police academy. the leftover money can go to pay the sheriff deputies. the san jose's mayor is not so sure. >> if they have extra, then, yeah, it makes sense to send them to the area that has mor

. >> reporter: there is disturbing details coming up being held without bail 39 year-old derek hammond a protective surface officer and santa clara county investigators with the sheriff's office all rested hammond march 19th after a lengthy investigation and that we are told but all of his victims are adults but they were under age when it occurred. i couldn't tell you that hammett is that is due back in court in maine or he is expected to make a plea. may faw >> pam: new concerns tonight about the safety of the new eastern span of the bay bridge. independent engineers say, there is rust in the strands and rods that make up the anchored suspension span. >> pam: these engineers say, that rust could compromise the longevity of the bridge. as well its performance in the >> pam: but bay bridge officials do conclusion. and they say they are not in those areas >>".seismic performance." >> pam: bridge officials say, its engineers have inspected those areas. and only found rust from the zinc- based paint. and from the steel where the paint has chipped off. painting is now underway to reseal th

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derrick hammond was arrested last month. not clear why the public is just learning about the case. he was hired to provide security at santa clara medical center. not clear what led investigators to hammond or how many children he is accused of. >>> a former gangster arrested with leland yee to enter a plea in court today. raymond "shrimp boy" chow accused of money laundering and conspiring to steal stolen property. a series of fbi raids in the bay area last month. today four other people who were arrested on the east coast reportedly connected to chow will also be in court. >>> san jose may have found a solution to end the city's shortage of police officers. today santa clara county supervisors will talk about letting sheriff deputies help out the san jose police. the idea came after the city was only able to fill about half of the 60 open slots in the most recent police academy. the leftover money could go to pay sheriff deputies. that plan would run for up to two years until the city can fill its ranks. >>> in just over an hour from now google glass will go on sale it the genera

derek hammond is accused of ten felony counts including the violent molestation of his two stepdaughters for years. he worked as a santa clara county protective officer assigned to valley medical center. he took a leave in january and has been on an unauthorized leave of absence since his arrest in march. >>> investigators north of sacramento are trying to sort out what went wrong in last week's high-speed collision that killed ten people. many of them southern california high school people ntsb is expected to remain for 5210 days. investigators will also travel to southern california to interview survivors. >> former coworkers new tala, they say she was always smiling, always friendly. >> we have a bad day, and you would come in and see her at night and she would say, let me give you a hug. and it made you feel good. >> they new tala when they were both bus drivers for san trans. telework for san trams for year stomach years before leaving to drive for the tour bus company. ten people died including tala, and the says safety was always her primary concern. >> she would always comment, a

jeff hammond. >> those are the last few laps, wild and crazy.hat was going on with your 8. >> a lot of brake problems with the car and the fluid bowled over on that last caution. i couldn't keep the pedal up so real loose getting into the corner and trying to run seventh was all i could do. just try not to fall back worse than that. they were fine, the run before when we were racing with matt and i thought we had a little bit better car than him in the middle of the corner but that caution they bowled over, brake problems earlier, last 150, 200 laps, the fluids black and steve says it bowled over a couple of times so we got a lot of rubber built up on the brake duct and grill so got real hot. >> a lot of emotion at the end of the race too. >> yeah, the 2 is mad at the 20. and so he slammed on brakes after the checkered and, you know, 47 run into the 20. i ran into the 20. that was -- i don't know what that was all about. you know, get over it. that's how i feel. >> thanks, man. >> all right, steve and dale earnhardt jr., but, again, drivers are

that the prison of the commission told him i know but also on the prison of the european council hammond on the wrong way have clearly stated that he would be very difficult for any reason that would declare independence from the member state of the european union to be done readmitted to the union they had such regions to become that will become independent the states would then need to go to the old sense of becoming a member can i really like serbia macedonian other candidate countries. and boy and the secessionist movement is spreading across the continent doesn't bode very well for the future of the european union well that and the pens which weighed and he lifted the european union is always an outreach to regional autonomy and in a way and it fits its essence has encouraged the use of horizontal still fun to pick up lily and to contemplate independence because he would be. in their minds much he's here too the separate from from spain all of britain and then rejoined the european union where their interests would be preserved. and in terms of common trade policy in common foreign

the alleged victims of derrick hammond were minors at the time of the offenses, but are now adults.kron-4's scott rates has more. >> here is his picture, we learned that he works at the valley medical center. he was employed as a protective services officer. they arrested him back on march 19th after a lengthy investigation. all of his victims are now adults but when this crime took place they were children. he is facing 10 counts of child molestation. one count of child pornography. i spoke out to someone from the job and i have not heard back. he is due back in court at may 16th, he is expected to make a play. >> scott rates kron4 new is. >> anny: police in oakland say, an animal control officer was attacked by a pit bull. this is video of the scene on monday from our helicopter partnership with a-b--c 7. it happened as crews were responding to an animal abuse call on 11-th avenue near east 22nd street. officials say, the officer war bitten on the hands, forearm and leg. shortly afterward, the dog was contained. police have not released any other details at this time. >> james: no

hammond was hired by santa clara county and not clear what led investigators to hammond or how many children >>> police are hoping this new security camera footage will help them find, you can look from this grainy video here that was just released yesterday that it shows a man behind the building just before the fire was reported. >>> also, right now, we want to get a lookt that weather forecast and check in with christina loren. good morning to you. >> good morning to you. still not seeing a lot of improvement in the overcast sky. mostly cloudy here in sunol and same sky in san jose this morning. nice and sunny as we progress throughout the day. 77 here in the south bay and 77 for the peninsula and beautiful conditions here with that fog returning by about 5:00 to 7:00 this evening. so, we're looking really good everywhere except for at the immediate coast a little chilly today. 75 in san francisco. let's check the drive across the bay area, hear mike inouye. >> just past the coliseum starting to bog down a bit. fog not an issue on the east bay side, just the haze. looking at the map, slow

arrest accused of the unthinkable with children grid the alleged victim's of the very cam and--derrick hammondiners at the time of the offenses but are now adults three he was arrested back in march after a lengthy investigationh toammond is be held without bail. he is facing 10 counts of molestation and at least one count of child pornography. he will enter a plea in may. santa clara county deputies are now considering offering a share services to boost the dwindling san jose police force. some of the services are neighborhood patrols and other necessary public safety services. budgetary as that an adjustment, current as dental academies and additional resources they will deliver our vehicles steal weapons and other law-enforcement equipment and related supplies. >>anny: after having to close due to a mouse infestation the health department is inspecting a walgreen said the bakery and chinatown today to make sure they are rock road at free. the law grant is located on stockton street greeted the health department found allies in the basement upstairs and pharmacy. the mee-mee bakery next door

framingham, massachusetts, kim langley of phoenix, arizona, nick langley of phoenix, arizona, ken rimer of hammond, wisconsin, jane rimer of wisconsin and don igele of minnesota, randolph radabaker of baldwin, wisconsin. i'd like to introduce the department of transportation worst nightmare, the head of the center for safety and has done remarkable work on this issue. >> i am clarence detlo from the center for auto safety. general motors head the problem for years. nhtsa missed the obvious warning signs and people needlessly died in crashes because of defective decisionmaking at general motors. and the government. this is a complete failure of the recall system and we must change the law to reform that system. any good engineer testing these switches would realize it's too easy to change the switch from position to e on the accessory position. in fact, g.m. engineers did recognize this. they recommended a different switch to be put in production but g.m. management rejected that. when the switches were put in production and people started dying in crashes, g.m. engineers recommended a fix but g.m.

natalie hammond, the teacher at sandy hook who survived the shooting spoke about the event. >> today,e're hoping to give back to newtown community. and we're hoping the kids come have a great time out here. >> proceeds from that tournament will go to anyone affected by the sandy hook tragedy. as well as newly created scholarship fund. >>> now, to a frightening scene from the baseball diamond, a dugout knockout, ryan braun from the milwaukee brewers, he was practicing his swing in the dugout, he clocked shortstop segura in the head. he had to been helped off the field. the brewer's manager said he did not have a facial fracture but did require some stitches. pretty lucky there. >>> and finally, near minneapolis, talk about some real-life angry birds, we're talking turkey -- turkeys -- >> get out of the road. >> was that a turkey speaking? >> that was not a turkey speaking. this is a guy, a motorist, the turkeys took over the road. they want drivers to know who is boss. very obstinate and obdurate turkeys. >> obdurate? >> wow. they're causing major problems for motorists by refusing to

joining me now from los angeles, paul hammond. let's start with the magic johnson angle on this. why would donald sterling dislike magic johnson or anybody that he knows not want to be seen or photographed with magic johnson? >> it would seem that it's heartburn over the lakers/clippers rivalry. donald sterling has owned the clippers since 1981. magic johnson became the focus of the great laker dynasty back in the '80s and since then, it could be argued that the l.a. lakers have been the most successful franchise in professional american sports. they have won some 11 championships since '80. that dovetailed right along with donald sterling's ownership. they share the staples center together and it would suggest that perhaps, if this is all true, that sterling was just having absolute jealously over magic johnson, the lakers, and all of the laker mania that evades los angeles. magic johnson is royalty in los angeles. a lot of people and movers and shakers and people in the stand could suggest that johnson could run for mayor in this town. >> i love you but that has nothing to do w

cnn's paul hammond joins us tonight from los angeles. paul, you have a new excerpt to share with us from that recording. we want to hear it. >> let's get to it. this is donald sterling's alleged girlfriend talking to him over the phone. again, we are trying to confirm that this is, indeed, sterling's voice. let's give a listen. >> here is what the president of the clippers has to say about these recordings. we have heard the tape on tmz. we do not know if it is legitimate or it has been altered. we do know that the woman who is on the tape who we believe released it to tme is the defendant in a lawsuit brought by the sterling family alleging that she empezled more than $1.8 million. net worth of donald sterling is almost $2 billion. >> you know what? he goes on in that release from the president of the l.a. clippers and goes on to say he is upset with the remarks that were attributed to him about blacks and especially about magic johnson because he said magic johnson was a friend. but nowhere in that statement does he that i, "that is no

. >> not sure what the commotion is all about, tony hammond walks into the store and into trouble. >>get to the door and i open it, and that's when i first see the guy. >> give me the money! money! >> the gunman keeps demanding money. when he doesn't get any, there's a tense standoff. >> give me the money! >> i'm thinking, well, maybe there's a chance he doesn't have the guts to use it and, you know, we can just convince him to leave. look, you're not going to get any money, no harm, no foul, walk out the door. and at that point, mr. sudu grabs the gun. >> and i just reacted. i jumped. >> mr. sudu tries to grab the gun again, and tony leaps into action, attacking the gunman, throwing him into one of the food stands and then up against the counter. >> it's very risky, because if you watch the video at one point the gun is pointed right at mr. sudu, and he's got ahold of it. so any time that gun could have gone off. >> a life-and-death struggle ensues. >> we're both fighting for this gun. we're not fighting each other. we're fighting over the gun he has and the gun i'm trying to get. >>

. >> reporter: uniformed secret service officers william grimmer and thomas hammond were on regular patrol when a tourist from dallas suffered a heart attack on her way to check in at a hotel with her husband. >> reporter: using chest compressions, she started to breathe again, rushed to the hospital. >> it's rewarding in itself to know that she's okay at this point. >> reporter: a proud moment for an agency after officers were sent home from the negletherlan >> we had to attend to a medical call, a little more serious than we're used to, but it went down pretty flawlessly. >> reporter: kristen welker, nbc news, washington. >>> to add a piece of history up on the auction block, the story behind this letter written just before the titanic sank. first these messages. [ female announcer ] what if getting ready every morning was quick and easy? makeup. nails. now advanced teeth whitening is simple with the new colgate® optic white™ toothbrush plus whitening pen. just brush. use the built in whitening pen, then go. no waiting, no rinsing. its stay on formula penetrates to deeply whiten for whit

first and thereafter they went after me and then they also went after a german by the name of jim hammondwho is the formal the former animal care supervisor and he spoke of the owner of marine land shooting to neighborhood dogs and really the the poor living conditions of land animals have to. suffer because it really is it goes beyond just the plight of the marine mammals every considering everything you've told me and everything that i've read really damaging reports here in november two thousand and twelve an inspection of the park by canada's accredited zoos and aquariums reportedly revealed no problems with the conditions and marine land why is there such a stark inconsistency with federal oversight as compared to your story. the canadian association of zoos and aquariums is the national choice of zoos and aquariums. they did order marine land a few changes but really more not a thing it did serve to mitigate the damages because marine land is a paying member of that association so it's not a federal oversight in any capacity what they do is they oversee. their their member pay their

people like brown, hammond, and any number of others, these are all examples.these are whistleblowers and how activists. acktivists. the government is deliberately going after them. they are targeting individuals to send a much larger message to anyone who dares come forward. what are they really shutting down? they are shutting down the free flow of information that informs the public with what is going on. >> and legally, they are over processing in the hacktivist community. the way they are using the espionage act to go over whistleblowers. it is a war on information more broadly that can be seen through the war on whistleblowing and hacktivists. in the parallel to the thomas ricks case, looking at someone like aaron swartz they were also , seeking to find a way for 35 years -- once he committed suicide, they said they would have settled for three months. over prosecution is completely sick. but it is meant to send a message. they want to make an example of people like that. just led guilty the other day, and i cannot get into the details of that. but it is

people like brown, people like hammond and any number of others. these are all, all of these examples, this parallel whistleblowers and shack vises, the -- hactivists, the government is deliberately going after them to send, they're targeting individuals like they targeted me to send a much larger message to anybody else that might dare come forward. but ultimately, what are they really shutting down? they're shutting down the free flow of information that informs the public with what is actually going on. >> and legally they're also overprosecuting in the hactivist community using the computer fraud abuse act and cispa and laws like that the way they're using the espionage act to go after whistleblowers. it's a war on information more broadly that can be seen through the war on whistleblowers and journalists and hactivists. and in the parallel to thomas drake's case, you look at someone like aaron schwartz where they were also seeking to put him away for 35 years, and then once he committed suicide said, oh, we would have settled for three months.

colleen hammond with ronald and nancy reagan in 1980.gressman jason chaffin here. look at those cheeks! >> we got some more, right? >> we got bill o'reilly with us. >> here i am. >> brian is down in washington. brian, why don't you start because things yesterday got hot for lois lerner down in dc. >> we all know, bill, that the ways and means committee is going to refer lois lerner, this whole investigation to the justice department where it will die a slow death. so do you think congress, this committee should try to make a move and do something radical like arrest lois lerner for not cooperating? >> i don't know if they have arrest powers. i don't know if they can do that. what i'd like to see is learner get some kind of immunity and then if she didn't testify, you could get her and holder would have to do something. so i think they should force that move now. >> the problem is mr. holder and the white house have stonewalled so far. they've been great at it. >> everybody knows that. that's absolutely true and even supporters of the oba

time and you know the prison sentence is very large and that's how they go after the likes of jeremy hammond they say you're going to be charged with c.f.a. it's going to increase your sentence to decades in prison less you plead guilty to this lesser crime so in terms of this injustice in america why doesn't you know eric holder go after these bankers using all of their c.f.a. and their computer fraud and abuse crimes and say plead guilty to the lesser one and we you want two hundred years in prison if i was it goes back to john poindexter who came out the policy analysis market which was a production market based on my technology and my patented technology number five nine five zero one seven six the virtual specialist technology which i pad did in one thousand nine hundred six and he was going to create a tariff you choose market to predict where terrorist would strike next way before jim records came out in his book death of money talking about trading options and tracking options about where terrorists would hit john poindexter with his policy analysis market have the idea ten years bef

edward snowden we've seen that with thomas drake we've also seen that with bear brown and jeremy hammond so you know it's needs to be documented and the this was the most secretive trial in american history and they did not want transcripts coming from the us they really didn't want images coming from the courtroom either but that's our right and that's that's why i was there to cover it yeah that's what that is something that really struck me in this the military justice system is very different from the civilian system were you surprised with how secretive things were was it was that hard to follow was a hard to get your hands on on information such as these transcripts. well these transcripts are on the fischel transcripts the official transcripts are still yet to be released along with many of the court filings also there were many days and many long hours of the trial that were in closed session that were open to the public or the press and so there's a lot that this book won't ever be able to tell because there was was held and de facto secrecy. and that's that's why i did this bec