hank paulsen, ben bernanke, chris, is john? >> yes. tim geithner, john, and chris. >> you talk about being the only woman in that group? what was your reaction? how did they treat you? >> it was, [laughter] it was difficult. it was. i always felt like when i get into a meeting, another meeting occurred. the decision was made. i was brought into a meeting to be told what they decided to do. that was hard. i felt there were a lot of bilateral relationships. one on one conversations i was not privy too prior to -- getting to go. it was challenging to have a seat at the table and make our way through it and get our views taken seriously. >> go get a job and find the cure to cancer, we tax you at 45%. manage a hedge fund and you will pay 15%." >> a hedge fund is a fund that makes money by arbitrage. they try to exploit inefficiences in the system and for instance they may have arbitrage with intreserest rates or inefficiencies in currencies and they will take opposite positions. it is difficult to explain what hedge funds do. they are tradi

place where there was another financial crisis, how well would jack lew, as did robert ruben, hank paulsen tim geithner do to instill confidence? >> steve, you were right on the money with the jack lew prediction. you and i had this conversation, but i just wonder, you know, there's this antagonistic relationship between the white house and business. >> right. >> there were a handful of business guys in the mix that wanted the job. larry fink. would it be sort of better as a perception from the market or perception of business to put a business guy in there to help the relationship, help the togetherness of business in washington so we actually get some job creation going? what's your take on this choice? >> i don't disagree with the signal that could have been sent had somebody else been chosen. >> exactly. >> no doubt about that. it could have been an olive branch to the business community. i think that's for sure, and president obama did have several candidates who he could have chosen from in that regard. >> right. >> so i think that's very important, but i think right now president ob