this is hank peters.to 1988, and actually traded for this man. how long did it take you to make the deal? that's what i want to know. >> well, let's see, i think we worked on that for about two days. i think the team was playing in chicago at that time, and fortunately gave paul, who was a grade goode friend of mine, he was in chicago with finley trying to get vida blue, and that fell apart, and we were trying to unload ken holtzman, and we had another guy personality plus. can't remember his name. what was that right-hander he had? >> alexander. >> that's right. so, anyway, we kicked around a lot of names, but i will say one thing, he it was the on the deal from the very beginning. you were, rick. and we never varied from that 37 we wanted to get a catcher, and you were the guy, but different times, well, we had ron guidrry in the deal, craig nettles was in the deal. so many names going back and forth, but i thought we came out of it very, very well. we were happy with our end of it. >> back in those guy