, the steel magnate, got his family -- reading that book by -- it was totally routine for hank riordan. i didn't like the philosophy but as a character i rooted for hank written. that is the kind of thing that appeals to people and i don't think it is really appreciated. she appeals -- that rand speaks to people's self-esteem. self-esteem issue. psychological issues. you don't really have it anymore but for a while in the 50s and 60s becoming a branch of psychoanalysis. randian psychology which you don't hear much about any more, which was really self-esteem and she appealed to people's self-esteem issues very much and that is the kind of thing that -- that is what gets people involved in rand. >> did you see the "atlas shrugged" movie that came out your or two ago? do you have a view of it? does it echo her philosophy or come close to being like the book? >> there were several problems with the movie. first the one for which was criticized the most that i agree with is it is not a particularly well-made movie. even rand acolytes who were thrilled they were making a movie about "atlas