hanlon much for these looks at the defensive establishment. we have a couple of gifts for you. one is our coin. >> thank you very much. >> and a thank a you gift that we hope you use go forward and continue to be our conscious in the defense establish the. >> thanks to you all. >>> libya's prime minister is here in the nation's capital today and he's speaking this morning at the carnegie endowment for international peace. he will be introduced by the vice president of the carnegie endowment who also served as jordan's foreign minister. we expect to get under way in just a moment. >>> good morning. let me just before we start mention that for security reasons, the doors of the room will be closed for the duration of the event. so i hope we can call on your understanding. good morning, ladies and gentlemen. i'm marwan muasher. i'd like to thank you for joining us for what promises to be a very fascinating discussion by now it should be apparent to all that it will not be measured in months or year, but this decades and many generations. in the last 14 month, long tim automat auto

hanlon? >> i think one thing to keep side of -- sight of, if we're giving people the power to carry a gun and arrest citizens and put them in jail forever. we talk about how we deal with this situation, to minimize it and say it is just a few officers, the department is generally ok, that there is not a culture here, whether it is a code of silence or a code that we can do what ever we want, it is not dealing with the problem. [applause] i believe that it has to be dealt with. but it cannot be dealt with by minimizing it and saying there's too much media about this stuff, that it is not fair. it is fair because the police are given this incredible power. more than anybody else. you know, i can deal with a cop in court, but i will not mess with him on the street, because he can tell me or arrest me. there has to be a standard -- he can kill me or arrest me. there has to be a standard. ianne is talking about her clients are basically on the street. this is not a minor problem. [applause] >> we

let me introduce you first to stuart hanlon, at my immediate left. stuart is a defense attorney of great renown. he has over 30 years of experience, including some of the country's most high-profile cases. including cases involving police and official misconduct. next to him is our san francisco police chief, greg suhr, newly appointed to that office last month. congratulations, chief. >> thank you, your honor. [applause] >> chief suhr has surfed in the department for 30 years. and as chief he will be overseeing a department of 1,800 police officers. next we have peter herley who is now acting as police consultant. he is the former chief of police of tiburon and the former president of the california police officers association. next to mr. herley is sharon wu, the chief assistant of operations in the district attorney's office. she oversees the criminal division, including the victim witness program and the alternative dispute courts. anne irwin is an attorney in the public defender's office. ms. irwin was recently involved in several of the cases i

and also stuart hanlon as well as the bar association of san francisco. so let's have a round of applause for our sponsors today . let's get down to it. so before we get started i want to introduce someone who's a wonderful leader in our community and that's the president of the bar association of san francisco. >> thank you. thank you, jeff, for inviting me on behalf of the bar association of san francisco. i'm priya sanger. i'm president of the bar association of san francisco. basf, as we note the bar association to be called, has had a long relationship with the public defenders office. it is crucially important for administration of justice. and so is san francisco conflicts panels where administration, which the bar association has provided in partnership with public defenders. so in san francisco when a public defender has a conflict of interest, criminal defendants and minors are represented by private attorneys from a panel administered by the bar association of san francisco. maintaining this independent body of attorneys is critically important

-- and i cannot believe i am going to say this -- i completely agree with john burris and stuart hanlon. [applause] >> thank you for giving my closing comments from me. i would like to thank the public defender's office for providing the public and anybody he wants to come to this forum, hearing from these experts, and they help you take away some good things from this -- and i hope you take away some good things you take away some good things from this panel. >> so many people here. this is the third and final panel for those of you who have stayed. this is going to be an incredible discussion. leading the panel, this is the chief attorney of the public defender's office, matt gonzalez. >> let me talk about how we decided to have a panel as part of this year is just a summit on the death penalty. san francisco is often known for being a large city, in this case, we have a unique history with the death penalty. during his reelection campaign of 1999, terrence hallohan said that they would not seek the death penalty for any offense in san francisco. he was reelected by a close margin a f

hanlon, but if someone is proven to be dishonest, it is my intention not to have those officers in the san francisco police department anymore. [applause] >> mr. herley, you have been a police chief and dealt with police conduct as a consultant. do you have anything to add to what chief suhr has said about preventing misconduct in a police department? >> thank you for having me. i do have to point something out. i was not the president of the california police officers association. it was the california police chiefs association. i spent 21 years in the city of torrance in southern california before coming up here, a city of to under 50,000, about 350 personnel. -- 250,000, about 350 personnel. much smaller organization. completely different type of agency. but one of the things we found was to my career and particularly at the beginning, there was really no classis% -- classes pe se, and we started a course on how to be a successful chief. a very strong component of that was an ethics, and what is the chief's responsibility within their department relating to at the experience include

lawyers association or the northern california criminal trial lawyers association as well as stuart hanlon. we're going to also have an image of you -- a sculpture of you, in our trial room to help inspire the next generation of attorneys. but this one is yours. [applause] so thank you very much to all of our panelists. we're going to take a five-minute break and then come back with our next p >> the second panel. this panel is going to be incredible. it really is. we have a superstar panel and, of course, a superstar moderator that i'm very honored to introduce, and that's judge lee baxter. and judge lee baxter is retired now from the bench, although you would never know it. and she's enjoying a new career as a photographer, is a great photographer. but during the time that she was on the bench in san francisco, we had the opportunity to try cases in her court. and she was somebody who represented fairness to everyone. and i think some of the ideals that we talked about in the last panel really were embodied by the way that she ran her court. and at the end of the day it was always about

themselves in and we don't go into too much debt in the book, but in his oral history interviews michael hanlon from the brookings institute is kind of a transformational period for him not only working with intelligence and special operations command fees and special missions units, but also working on a multi-year road map, so basically a comprehensive interagency international, all of these players where he met a lot of great context but it was the first time to really kick - off from that circle and have the sort of operational command of fuel and he's the deputy to read as we look at all of these experiences, and then we try to show how some of it plays of an iraq. there isn't a heavy emphasis on iraq in this book because i felt and vernon felt they were covered with rick and robinson and jackie's great book but of the real story is how all this education has played out and plays out in afghanistan. the war in afghanistan, i don't think the book paints a good picture for the war dillinger on and one thing he said on his way out of kabul and we see about the days he regretted having to leav

michael hanlon is senior fellow at the brookings institution, and his new book -- he's the co-author,uld mention -- "bending history: barack obama's foreign policy." michael, let's start with the title, "bending history." why did you pick that? >> hi, jenna. that comes from obama's favorite martin luther king quote, that the arc of history is long, but it bends in the direction of justice. in other words, obama's got idealism, but he's also got patience. on the campaign trail, we heard a lot of his vision. since he's been president we've seen the pragmatism of obama, and sometimes this has created a problem. there's been a gap in expectations around the world that obama was going to deliver on a big new agenda, reducing poverty, improving relations with the islamic world, but in reality the actual day-to-day management of most crises, i think, has been competent and, frankly, pretty down to earth starting with keeping bob gates as secretary of defense, hiring hillary as secretary of state. these are two very pragmatic, nonideological people, and that's sort of been more or less the ch