let me introduce you first to stuart hanlon, at my immediate left. stuart is a defense attorney of great renown. he has over 30 years of experience, including some of the country's most high-profile cases. including cases involving police and official misconduct. next to him is our san francisco police chief, greg suhr, newly appointed to that office last month. congratulations, chief. >> thank you, your honor. [applause] >> chief suhr has surfed in the department for 30 years. and as chief he will be overseeing a department of 1,800 police officers. next we have peter herley who is now acting as police consultant. he is the former chief of police of tiburon and the former president of the california police officers association. next to mr. herley is sharon wu, the chief assistant of operations in the district attorney's office. she oversees the criminal division, including the victim witness program and the alternative dispute courts. anne irwin is an attorney in the public defender's office. ms. irwin was recently involved in several of the cases i

-- and i cannot believe i am going to say this -- i completely agree with john burris and stuart hanlon. [applause] >> thank you for giving my closing comments from me. i would like to thank the public defender's office for providing the public and anybody he wants to come to this forum, hearing from these experts, and they help you take away some good things from this -- and i hope you take away some good things you take away some good things from this panel. >> so many people here. this is the third and final panel for those of you who have stayed. this is going to be an incredible discussion. leading the panel, this is the chief attorney of the public defender's office, matt gonzalez. >> let me talk about how we decided to have a panel as part of this year is just a summit on the death penalty. san francisco is often known for being a large city, in this case, we have a unique history with the death penalty. during his reelection campaign of 1999, terrence hallohan said that they would not seek the death penalty for any offense in san francisco. he was reelected by a close margin a f

hanlon? >> i think one thing to keep side of -- sight of, if we're giving people the power to carry a gun and arrest citizens and put them in jail forever. we talk about how we deal with this situation, to minimize it and say it is just a few officers, the department is generally ok, that there is not a culture here, whether it is a code of silence or a code that we can do what ever we want, it is not dealing with the problem. [applause] i believe that it has to be dealt with. but it cannot be dealt with by minimizing it and saying there's too much media about this stuff, that it is not fair. it is fair because the police are given this incredible power. more than anybody else. you know, i can deal with a cop in court, but i will not mess with him on the street, because he can tell me or arrest me. there has to be a standard -- he can kill me or arrest me. there has to be a standard. ianne is talking about her clients are basically on the street. this is not a minor problem. [applause] >> we

i am driven to contemplating the 20th century philosophical construction, hanlon's razor, a sort of a core larry to the widely cited positioned agman's razor. suggests what can be adequately explained by ignorance or sloth s. they're not all wrong for the same reasons. pretending that the countless thousands. tens of thousand of confederates who lee statured during the war do not exist is unbelievable. is it driven by malice? i suppose. ignorance? sloth? perhaps. seems to be ample room for all motives distributed in a case as startling as this one. the virtually unrelated question of whether lee deserved the adulation, that is subjective enough to defy adamant declaration of the sort i have been giving you. that the adulation flowed is just beyond per venture. they may have been wrong, the contemporary confederates, though i do not think so. they believe it cannot be disputed. i don't think by anyone except the most determinedly, comprehensively obtuse. we all of us need to establish a hierarchy of credibility about witnesses, the civil war, everything. we do it in life. we evaluate i

lawyers association or the northern california criminal trial lawyers association as well as stuart hanlon. we're going to also have an image of you -- a sculpture of you, in our trial room to help inspire the next generation of attorneys. but this one is yours. [applause] so thank you very much to all of our panelists. we're going to take a five-minute break and then come back with our next p >> the second panel. this panel is going to be incredible. it really is. we have a superstar panel and, of course, a superstar moderator that i'm very honored to introduce, and that's judge lee baxter. and judge lee baxter is retired now from the bench, although you would never know it. and she's enjoying a new career as a photographer, is a great photographer. but during the time that she was on the bench in san francisco, we had the opportunity to try cases in her court. and she was somebody who represented fairness to everyone. and i think some of the ideals that we talked about in the last panel really were embodied by the way that she ran her court. and at the end of the day it was always about

they were getting pushed back down towards and hanlon said he would fight house by house.after people said that he was prepared to die as a martyr, people knew that he meant it. he was going to go through with it. i think if the intervention hadn't come, it would've been a huge refugee exodus to egypt. i think he would probably have a war going on to this day. then, of course, libya is so simple. it is a small population about six my people. it is all desert in the south end of this coast roads, all the main cities along the coast roads. the main fighting was along the coast roads as well. militarily, it was quite simple. he didn't have any friends. now you look at syria, and none of those conditions apply. another thing it is a homogenous society as well. now, syria is shaping up under the sectarian struggle. they have support from christians. 70% rule by minority. what is happening is that the government, bashar al-assad, has the support of iran. and the opposition, has the support of saudi arabia and other gulf countries. it is shaping up into a regional battle, and the

hanlon, you've been invaluable. we appreciate that very much. mr. boot, in the last sentence of your testimony you say most ruby tba nestoe eympeeur cnu do consolidate their post-2001 efforts to create a more inclusive and more moderate state. how commitd to a more inclusive and moderate state do >> well, as mike suggested, i mean, obviously, president karzai and his family are deeply problematic. there's, obviously, deep issues of corruption there, although it is possible to work withthem as we've seen inheecen retsteacn ghiddhend o the detention facility. at the end of the day, i mean, i think there's no question that the karzais, like a lot of the elites in afghanistan, are trying to get the most they can out of theste, af em dveel buthk we're encouraging that by not having good controls over our spending and setting deadlines of our departure -- >> but isn't the other half of that argument saying, you know, we'lltfilyanee enagthyp of behavior? let me ask you this question. i completely agree that, obviously, an extension of taliban rule in any p

hanlon. i do not believe it likelyta ces tes afisof cof il year and added another three to 5 billion annually in direct security and economic support for the afghan government and people. he concludes his given american poticsnd budget oras, w btaee gbected decent things thebeen suggested. on the other hand, i look at other testimony of mr. boot and general keane. one wants is topride $6 bilon s-sierra for th afghan national secuty fces. 'vsoa euh ap t 5 billion annually for the united states support personnel with special operations forces. we have got the comment that it cost approximately 6 billion to operunens usseu oxly bhies in an as i reduction beginning in 2016. the snakes no sense quoting from some of theexcerpts of the se itsem reality to the position the united states of america is in. when they see with the money is coming from mr. asking for it. we blew through the debt are. this year will go thugh weharensiv t s r agreforth one of the trillion dollars the year. we've seen what's

and also stuart hanlon as well as the bar association of san francisco. so let's have a round of applause for our sponsors today . let's get down to it. so before we get started i want to introduce someone who's a wonderful leader in our community and that's the president of the bar association of san francisco. >> thank you. thank you, jeff, for inviting me on behalf of the bar association of san francisco. i'm priya sanger. i'm president of the bar association of san francisco. basf, as we note the bar association to be called, has had a long relationship with the public defenders office. it is crucially important for administration of justice. and so is san francisco conflicts panels where administration, which the bar association has provided in partnership with public defenders. so in san francisco when a public defender has a conflict of interest, criminal defendants and minors are represented by private attorneys from a panel administered by the bar association of san francisco. maintaining this independent body of attorneys is critically important