at the same time, former deputy minister of defense of ukraine, hanna mal'. commenting on the wiretappingeport, she stated that she did not see the point in it, i.e. the point in being a maid, because when communicating, the military allegedly always takes into account the possibility of information leakage. joining our broadcast is viktor yagun, reserve major general of the security service of ukraine. good evening. good evening. did it come as a surprise to you that during the full-scale war of the ukrainian head of state , someone was listening or intended to listen. to speak, intended, that's one thing, and secondly, a device that could possibly listen, because as far as i know, there were no means, not only of recording, but also of power cells, that is, it was an imitation of a device that could possibly was laid for some other actions, not for recording, i don't know, there for provocation. for provocations, and who is profitable then to provoke the industrious in this way? well, for some reason it seems to me that this is one of those elements, to listen to some thing or. to get s