hannah arendt talks about this, right?was complicit, from all of my team—mates around me, you know... you talk about arendt‘s quote about the banality of evil and you say not all adults around me were perpetrators but they looked the other way. absolutely. you said, you are in your early 40s, i'm guessing your parents are still alive? my father has now passed, rest in power, and my mother is in the south of france, actually i was just visiting her about four weeks ago. so what is the relationship like now? the relationship with my mum is really good, you know? we've both grown and again, the book is written from the perspective of a 14—, is—, 16—year—old, and i think that all of us who run into any of that age group, they basically aren't very fond of their parents, generally speaking. i get you, but when she reads that when you are still 13, you are physically abused badly by one of the medical team that was looking after you as an elite swimmer, she must now feel a terrible sense of failure in terms of protection. i thin

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you say in talking about hannah arendt's essays and pieces on lying, which you do in a couple places, you said that what she couldn't see was the number of people -- i think you were speaking of the president -- who know they are lies, and still, it doesn't matter. do you remember that? i mean, i'm sure you remember it. [laughter] i mean, i hope i said it as you wrote it. sophia: that is absolutely right. she wrote in an interesting moment. most of her writing on lying is from the late 1960's, early 1970's, the height of the vietnam era. she is really interested in this phenomenon of who tells the truth. the pentagon papers, for instance. and why there seems to be so much lying in public life. she has really insightful things to say. i found her endlessly interesting to read on these questions. she is difficult. she does not get at them in a straightforward way. they are sort of oblique. but they are full of interesting insights. the one thing that never comes up is what if the people discover they are being lied to , and they don't care? and i really wrestled with that , as perhaps s