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hannah barnes is a former bbc producer who investigated some of the uk's gender identity services for the corporation's newsnight programme. she went on to write a book about it. i asked her when she first started her investigation. first came across it at all in 2017. i was off on my first maternity leave and there was a piece in the times byjanice turner which was talking about this really rapid increase in the referrals of teenage girls to gids — the gender identity development service — and she had spoken to two clinicians who worked at the service. it wasn't really a big sort of whistle—blowy piece but they had talked to her and said — what they'd seen and itjust — i thought it was very interesting, but i was off and, you know, spending time with my baby. and there was also a documentary that same year on bbc two about a gender clinic — a children's gender clinic in canada. and then, it was really a leak of a report in the autumn of 2018, going into 2019, that really got me interested in this, which was a report where ten members of staff from gids had gone to... ..a doctor calle

hannah barnes is a former bbc producer who investigated some of the uk's gender identity services forst started her investigation. first came across it at all in 2017. i was off on my first maternity leave and there was a piece in the times byjanice turner which was talking about this really rapid increase

let's talk to hannah barnes associate editor at the new statesman magazine.ncentrating on evidence based. 0h, here we go. evidence severely lacking. nhs review rejects the use of puberty blockers which to be fair we already knew. and the guardian newspaper quite rightly sang thousands of children let down by the nhs. and tomorrow what we expect is firstly on that evidence base, dr cass will say how do we strengthen that because it is very weak behind these medical treatments that are being used now for a decade and half with children. and we need to put proper data because it has been woefully inadequate up to this point. we know next to nothing about 9000, 10,000 point. we know next to nothing about 9000,10,000 children that have gone through the gender identity development service at the tavistock. but those who started medication and those who have not. and also we spent detail on what good care looks like and that will be the medical rising it. and treating children as a whole which sounds a bit silly but one of the problem is that we've had in the pastis

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joining me now is hannah barnes — she is an associate editor at new statesman, and author of "time tofor children. alsojoining me is azeen ghorayshi — she is a reporter at the new york times and covers the intersection of sex, gender and science. thank you both for coming on the programme. thank you both for coming on the programme-— thank you both for coming on the programme.- let's - thank you both for coming on the programme.- let's start l thank you both for coming on the j programme.- let's start if thank you both for coming on the - programme.- let's start if we programme. thanks. let's start if we can, programme. thanks. let's start if we can. hannah. — programme. thanks. let's start if we can, hannah, with _ programme. thanks. let's start if we can, hannah, with you. _ programme. thanks. let's start if we can, hannah, with you. it— programme. thanks. let's start if we can, hannah, with you. it was - programme. thanks. let's start if we can, hannah, with you. it was a - programme. thanks. let's start if we can, hannah, with you. it was a very| can, hannah, with you. it was a ve

on years ago saying on newsnight years ago saying the very things hannah the very things that hannah barnesnight , but barnes was saying on newsnight the night, but he the other night, but he was demonised you he demonised for it. you know, he was saying, don't tell was saying, look, don't tell children the wrong children they're in the wrong body children body because they're children and believe you. yeah, and they'll believe you. yeah, right. 100. right. and they'll believe you. yeah, rigiwhich. right. and they'll believe you. yeah, rigiwhich isight. and they'll believe you. yeah, rigiwhich is aht. and they'll believe you. yeah, rigiwhich is a nice summary of >> which is a nice summary of the of the, the cas the summary of the, the cas report. so, yeah, mean , report. yeah. so, yeah, i mean, even josh howie a mention even josh howie gets a mention in daily mail article, in this daily mail article, comedy writer josh howie. they comedy writerjosh howie. they describe obviously describe him as obviously they've up skills they've seen his stand up skills . oh, yeah. >> right. i mean, on, >>