for more, let's bring in from hannah levitt.icture, we saw jp morgan down a little bit and -- goldman down a little bit and jp morgan -- jp morgan down a little bit and goldman sachs up a little bit. >> this is objectively a great quarter for those two firms. we will see what happens when the rest of them report tomorrow and friday, but yeah, things were looking very, very good for those two in a lot of ways. romaine: we are talking about trading revenue for both goldman and jp morgan, also talking about investment banking revenue, which knocked it out of the park at jp morgan. we did hear jamie dimon talk a little bit about loan growth, and he's being a bit muted here. that caused some concerns. what's going on here? >> he later said he made a mistake in that word. the way diamon pu -- the way dimon put it, there's muted demand from borrowers on the demand side and the business side, and other executives pointed to stimulus checks and ppp and the low cost of tapping the depth market and what we have seen over the past few years