and he said, my name is hans jurgen von halle. and then they said, is there a gert karl van halle here? i said no. they said, what's your name? i said sigmund karl van halle. they said it must be the same one. they put us under arrest. they pushed us out the door, just the way we were. we did not have time to say goodbye to our parents. and they marched us from our house to the gestapo headquarters in amsterdam. now when i say they marched us we were not -- we were not handcuffed. we were just -- my brother and i were just walking there individually and these two gestapo agents in their leather coats just followed behind about, i don't know, 20 feet behind. and all they did was tell us turn right, turn left, straight ahead, and if you had passed us by on the street, you would never have known that these two young boys were under arrest. and we arrived at gestapo headquarters, oh, i would say around 5:30, 6:00. and we were one of the last to arrive, and when i looked around, i saw that practically all of my friends were there. there

the living room, and came out with a list, and they asked me whether anybody by the name of hans jurgen von halleived here. well my brother was in the back room, and truthfully i did not know what to say. before i could say anything, my brother came out of the back room and wanted to know what was going on and they turn to him and said, what's your name? and he said, my name is hans jur gen von halle. and then they said, is there a gert karl van holle here? i said no. they said, what's your name? i said sigmund karl van halle. they said it must be the same one. they pushed us out the door, just the way we were. we did not have time to say goodbye to our parents. and we marched from our house to the gestapo headquarters in amsterdam. now when i say they marched us, we were not -- we were not handcuffed. we were just -- my brother and i were just walking there individually and these two gestapo agents and their leather coats just followed behind about, i don't know, 20 feet behind. and all they did was tell us turn right, turn left, straight ahead and if you had passed us by on the street, you woul