. >> hans von spakovsky -- did i do that right? >> that was close, but not quite. >> i actually practiced that a couple of times last night. but you'll correct me when your time comes. >> i have a tendency to do that. >> hans has a wide range of expertise in civil justice, immigration, election and related issues including campaign finance reform. voter fraud. enforcement of federal voting rights laws. election administrating. the standards and on and on. he served on the virginia committee of the u.s. commission on civil rights. he's been published in countless national newspapers, he's been on countless radio and television shows. he's testified before state legislatures and congressional committees and made a multitude of presentations on this issue across the country. so for those of us who have been in this business a while, we all know of hans. candace wheeler. how are you? >> i'm fine, thank you. >> good. candace is -- joined the national military family association government relations staff as the deputy director in june o

experts, we have laura murphy of the office of the american civil liberties union, and we have hans von spakovsky. i hope i pronounced it right who doesn't need much introduction because he's now with the heritage foundation but has been in the field for quite some time. and without resting much time on my blah blah blah, i will ask mn spakovsky to introduce his opening remarks. >> that's not that tough of a name for somebody that was born in alabama is unusual. laura and i are here today opposing each other on voter i.d. although i should say we are not always on opposite sides. in fact we were on the same side and citizens united where i filed a brief along with other commissioners in the aclu filed on the same side. on voter i.d. i think the aclu is wrong, and let me tell you why. one of the key principles of any fare collection is making sure the person is legally eligible to do so and the fairest way to do that is by making sure that individuals authenticate their citizenship when they register to vote and authenticate their identity when they appear at the polling place to vote. those kind