the seeds of all of that were laid by hans von spakovsky and other conservative activists dating all tice department. ♪ >> cobb: hans von spakovsky, he's a former justice department lawyer and an architect of the republican position on voter fraud, and a frequent speaker at eventsike cpac, the conservative political action conference, where i met him last winter. >> well, i can't do an interview right now, 'cause i've got another... i've got another one i've got to go to. >> cobb: all right. thank you. ♪ we sat down in september for an at-times tense interview. can you talk a little bit about your ideas around voter fraud and election integrity? >> well, i got interested in this topic in the 1990s, when i was first a poll watcher. but when i was at the justice department, i worked in the civil rights division and myob there was enforcing federal voting rights laws, including the voting rights act. >> cobb: so we have this concern about voter fraud. people on the other side of this equation have frequently said, we have an issue with voter suppression in the united states, not an issue

now about hans von spakovsky. he is an interesting figure.ably more than anyone the, he is responsible for promulgation and proliferation of the concern about voter fraud. this has been his issue. he has been there guy on this thing -- he created the database with the heritage foundation that logs instances of alleged voter fraud. our investigation pointed to something else that many of the cacases that were there were simply people -- on amy: we have 20 sececonds. >> b by people who made mistakes and a casting are ballot and so on. so he is been more responsive than anyone else unable promulgating the myth of voter fraud. amy: we're going to do part two of our interview at democracynow.org.. ,heck it out with jelani cobb reporter and correspondent of the frontline documentary "whose vote counts." he is a professor of journalism at columbia university and a contributor to "the new yorker" magazine. we will speak to him about biden's moral imperative to sacred civil rights and election day violence. [captioning made possible by democracy now!]

one dropbox makes no sense but hans von spakovsky with the heritage foundation says democrats are beingalarmist i mean how can you claim that the votes are being suppressed winner record turnout. it is not even election day indeed a record breaking number of americans have voted early ground says that's because grassroots groups are working hard to get out the vote we expect that there will be long lines. nancy abudu with the southern poverty law center says her organization and others are really about election day itself. the real concern has to do with what we call challenges. >>and that is the voters showing up at the polling place and then some other citizen being there with the list saying that i don't believe this person is a property boater this kind just hasn't been happening. the koski said existing law already bans or discrimination and intimidation southern poverty law center says the owners should alert a poll worker and request, a provisional ballot if they encounter any problems at the polls in washington raquel martin. >>and things have been pretty mild lately. the last c