joining me now with reaction heritage foundation senior legal fellow hans von spakovsky.describes in that report we're seeing that there were actual interactions, vice president then, under president obama and 14, 14 interactions with hunter's business associates from countries for example, mexico, ukraine, china by the way. this president continues to stand up and say that he had nothing to do with his son's interactions. that he is not complicit in any way. nothing to see here. >> yeah. well that is a little bit hard to believe. it is pretty clear that biden was, joe biden was not telling the truth when he said he didn't know anything about his son's business. if that's the case, then why were all these business associates of hunter biden set up to meet with the president, particularly in the white house? it seems pretty obvious that hunter biden was in essence selling access to the vice president, to these foreigners and these foreign companies. by the way since they were -- he was representing foreigners lobbying the federal government the fact that he did not registe