justin hansford a graduate of georgetown law and professor law at howard law school and the civil rights center there. he is a brilliant police activist. he created the group ferguson which traveled the numbers with young activists to deliver the message to the u.n. commission against torture in geneva and 2017. allegra mcleod is one of the nations promise scholars teaching and writing about the criminal legal system and legal theory. allegra work as a criminal defense lawyer and is involved in work on a pro bono racist. the referee said many questions and we have incorporated them into the questions i'll be asking the panelists and feel free to submit extra questions. just in and of i cry want to start with the title of this program what does police abolition mean? is described differently by the people and if you look closely there is an element about iteration so can you tell us what police abolition means to you and is it the same as others ascribe to the term? >> for me police abolition is not just a destination but a project. it starts with the recognition that police and prisons h

it provides kaiser and hansford to offer more testing and they say the new order is a preventive measure as restrictions ease and more people had outdoors and they are concerned many people may have been exposed to the virus during some recent protests. >> we worry about them and we look at the pictures and people who are close together and other people screaming and potentially spreading the virus. >> the goal is to ensure everyone in the high risk category get the test and they include grocery store employees and other frontline workers as well as people who ride transit or a person who has recently been at a large gathering. happening today san francisco malls and stores will be allowed to welcome shoppers inside for the first time in months and that includes was filled on market street and stones town galleria. malls that reopen are required to limit the number of shoppers and have to have more frequent cleanings and post reminders about sanitation and social distancing and individual stores with direct access outside were allowed to offer curbside pickup. >> berkeley may reopen its

hansford well upwards and now we have we basically have a civil war or a revolution against the working people from the top down you agree with that or now so i agree with that with many elements of what you said. first of all i do agree with something you said earlier and that is that middle class is kind of this you know and i maybe as margaret said it is a more focused and may not even exist i think it was the playwright august wilson who said if you can quit your job today and live at the same standard of living for 2 years then your core and you know i know me you know i it you know i'm live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood but if i would have who was my my employment today you know next month i'm scrambling you know to me and 3 months you know probably out of my year so i think that there is. you know this this idea that there's this middle class and 80 percent of americans are 85 percent i believe of americans identify as middle class now you want to tell us there are a lot of poor people because we demonize poverty itself that you know that they're like i'm poor you know t