haqqani has a $5 million u.s. bounty on his head and showed up at friday prayers in kabul. >> haqqanis are expert at taking people hostage and committing mass murder attacks. >> once the u.s. withdraws the rival groups can turn afghanistan into a terrorist battleground, the haven for extreists the u.s. hoped to eliminate in its 20-year war. the united nations revealed in june up to 10,000 jihadi fighters traveled to afghanistan already from other countries, most tied to al qaeda and the taliban with some indeed the most radical group of all the radicals, isis-k. yasmin? >> thank you to andrea mitchell for that report. we'll be learning more about haqqani from ken dilanian later on in the show. we bring in nato ambassador douglas sleuth. thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. as i was taking a listen to the president yesterday evening speak being the events of yesterday, the tragic events of yesterday, it actually reminded me of george w. bush and the speech that he delivered on the eve of 9/11 when he vowed to fi

haqqani has a $5 million u.s.and brazenly showed up a week ago at friday prayers in kabul. >> the haqqanis are expert at two thing, taking people hostage and committing mass murder attacks of this scale. >> nbc news correspondent ken delaney joining me now with his deep dive on kalil haqqani. what do we know about this man? >> andrea, he has a $5 million reward on his head from the state department because he's a designated terrorist. he is a go-between between the haqqani network which is a terrorist organization and al qaeda and pakistani intelligence. the haqqanis are vicious thugs according to intelligence officials and you heard general mcmaster there, they have kidnapped many, many americans, they have been involved in suicide attacks. so the notion that one of their own and he is the brother of the founder of the haqqani network, he's in charge of security in the capital of afghanistan just boggles the mind and shows you what unappetizing choices we are left with in afghanistan, andrea. >> thanks so much, k

a lot of these haqqanis can go over to isis and because the haqqanis are linked to not just al qaeda other foreign fighters, like people from central asia, the russian federation, even uighurs, there is a huge risk of this spillover and becoming a conduit for people who are now under the afghan taliban moniker to cross over and say, we are joining isis and strengthening their ranks. we saw this in syria. there were multiple groups that were not isis, but they lost a lot of fighters to isis over the years. >> what is the relationship like between the taliban and isil-k? are they rivals, as many analysts seem to say, or is the relationship not so black-and-white? >> i would say it is a black-and-white relationship between the islamic state khorasan province and taliban. the wider group, the taliban, has become an out-of-state movement for a number of reasons, one being they don't implement islamic law properly. there is also the view that they make unacceptable outreach to the she a minority -- duto the shia minority and also that the taliban is supposedly a nationalist movement, in co

i'm sure that we will uncover evidence that this has happened with the full knowledge of haqqanis and the taliban if not the most senior leadership. it has the hallmark of the attacks of the hack an is. they are expert at two things, taking people hostage and committing mass murder attacks of this scale. and so they are in charge now and this is what happens when you surrender to jihadist terrorists. >> general mcmaster, haqqani also has al qaeda connections and there are overlaps here and it is true that isis-k have been active and they're adversaries of the taliban. so can you sort through that? i was going to ask you, in fact, about the fact that haqqani was on the fbi most wanted list was by the taliban put in charge of some security in kabul just last week and showed up at friday prayers. >> all security in kabul. he's the one dictating the terms to us what we can and can't do outside the airport and we don't have the will to do what's necessary to get all of the americans outside because they know they've been thrust into hell. what's important to note is these groups share peop

some are run by the haqqani network. there's a history of animosity. >> you and jennifer griffin have been doing yeomans work do we have any sense of isis-k fighters there are? when you take about make them pay what is the scope of that? >> there's hundreds of isis-k fighters. in 2016, there were 3 to 4,000. after president trumptook office, he dropped the mother of all bombs on isis-k in this province. devastated isis at the time. so based because of the rangers, joint special operations command launching the raids, isis was devastated. because the raids were so successful, a lot of isis-k's leadership is underground. as you saw from central command, they don't want civilian casualties. so in isis leaders are tougher to get to them in urban areas. this isis planner out for a drive, clearly his last one. >> that's how they change their tactics to shield themselves that way. the mother of all bombs that was dropped, i had not recalled that was isis-k. the beginning of our targeting back then. >> thanks. >> you're on it. t

siraj haqqani, who is a prominent al-qaeda member and also the military commander of the taliban.s the moment we can stop our self—delusion and stop believing that these groups are separate from one another and recognise that they are utterly intertwined and connected and what we are seeing is the establishment of a jihadist terrorist state in afghanistan and all of us will be at much higher risk as a result of this. you said in the middle of that answer, "it is time to think again." you are not seriously suggesting that the white house presses the pause button this close to the deadline? heck yes, i am. i guess the question is for all of our political leaders, what is the mission? is the mission just to complete our surrender and withdrawal? or is it to get our citizens out and the afghans who are at the highest and most grave risk because they assisted us and were engaged in trying to build a better future for their country? if it is the latter, we better do a hell of a lot more than trying to hold on to a perimeter in a very small airport on the edge of a dense urban area. righ

the other power dynamic you have is with the haqqani network.e currently in control of security of kabul, and they have this loose affiliation of sorts with the taliban as far as the taliban likes to say publicly, but really they're very linked. but because they are not the same organization, haqqani network can carry out operations that the taliban can claim plausible deniability of. so, this means you could have haqqani network conducting murder operations around the city. they have a history that goes back even before 2008 of suicide bombings. theylso love to conduct kidnappings for ransom. so, i expect we will see people that they consider high value moneymakers, people that they consider very valuable to multinational n.g.o.s being kidnapped and held for ransom as a way to make money for the taliban haqqani network going forward, since they are going to be cut off from official international flows of funding. >> sreenivasan: kirsten fontenrose, director of the scowcroft middle east security initiative at the atlantic council. thanks so much

how do you make sense of the difference between the taliban, al qaeda, the haqqani network, isis canwhat difference does it make as it pertains to our security? >> they are all terrorists and we should designate them as such. next week will go through on the house armed services committee, the market for the annual national defense authorization act and introducing an amendment that would designate the taliban is a terrorist organization because currently they are not, the taliban in pakistan is, the taliban in afghanistan was never designated a terrorist organization and you are seeing right now they are complicit in the attacks that have occurred as the taken over the country and allowed the situation to happen, they should be held accountable, the taliban should be held accountable for these actions as well and one way to do that, to prevent material support in any way and further efforts to punish them for those activities would be to designate them a terrorist organization. nancy pelosi, speaker alice should be calling every member of congress back to congress tonight, tomorrow

network, to be in charge of security in kabul kalil haqqani, a $5 million u.s. bounty on his head, brazenly the haqqanis have strong ties to al qaeda, also in the mix. what's clear is the taliban either couldn't defend against today's bombings or won't. now the question is, how will the president deliver the forceful response he promised after the u.s. withdraws, lester? >> thank you >>> in 60 seconds, my exclusive interview with the capitol police officer who shot and killed rioter ashli babbitt on january 6th. why he is choosing to reveal his identity, next >>> the identity of the u.s. capitol police officer who shot and killed ashli babbitt while defending the capitol on january 6th has been withheld by authorities. but those angered by his actions have been guessing at his identity online and on social media, and he has faced a barrage of threats since the incident tonight in an nbc news exclusive, he steps out of the shadows. your name has been batted about on the internet, but you have never been officially publically identified. do you want to tell us who

one of the deputies and the chief of the haqqani taliban network, and neither is the other deputy who is carrying the title of chief military commission, and the other leader who is the poster child for engagement was known for shooting women in football stadiums. he is out of touch, and in jail in pakistan for eight years. the taliban did not want to get him out, and he is very good on television, and charming, but he does not speed for what the tall bap wants in mind, but that narrative is fodder. you are talking about the group whose five leaders have left the violent offshoot in pakistan, and a pakistan version of the taliban and they seek to overcome the pakistani government, and they took over a pakistani school, and they left this group to join another group, because they wanted to see more violence. so while i don't believe in the sincerity of the taliban, and it looks good when there is tv cameras, and so good, i think that the violence is the retall -- reality, and the double edged sword, and so we have to say that we are the bert alternative. >> my thank you to ben rhodes a

the haqqani network and the taliban are no friends of isis k. isis k would like to kill taliban as much as they would like to kill americans. you have competing terror groups who are out to a, kill americans and b, try to create mayhem and kill as many women and children to create the images that we'll see broadcast to show that they have pushed the americans out of afghanistan just like they did with the soviets. so you then have a smaller number, but active number of al qaeda, who set off that suit side bombing outside the airport, nobody knows at this point. i'm in direct touch with the people who will know first and no attribution. but to suggest the taliban and isis k have teamed up right now. we don't have evidence of that. the taliban from what i've been hearing from pentagon officials fighting them trying to kill them for the last 20 years, they have had to negotiate with them. it has been a very fraught situation. the c.i.a. director flew out and met with baradar. in is a surreal situation for anyone who served in afghanistan. we don't

showing up for prayers last week and haqqani has strong ties to al qaeda in the mix. what's clear the taliban couldn't defend against these bombings or won't. now the question is how will the president deliver the forceful response to the attack after the u.s. withdrawals francis and philip >> without sending more troops andrea, thank you. >>> breaking overnight, the supreme court is against the moratorium the challenge was taken to the supreme court by a group of landlords who cited many across the country have lost as much as $19 billion a month. the court's eight-page majority opinion said n part, that the cdc has exceeded its authority but many, including president biden, are condemning the decision in a statement, the biden administration expressed disappointment and is urging all entities, including cities, states and local courts to take action to prevent evictions. new york city mayor bill de blasio tweeted in response to lifting the moratorium reading in part, this is an attack on working people across our country and city new york won't stand for this vile,

i saw a picture of the brother of saraj haqqani who leads the haqqani network.ese photos and these images, i started to find that some of these afghan leaders under house arrest and some of them are under threat of death. so we don't know exactly what we can trust coming out of there. here's what you can trust. on the 20th anniversary of 9/11, the taliban is going to make sure that they and al-qaeda and the haqqani network who are the afghan al-qaeda will see the taliban flag flying over all of afghanistan. the united states government is only talking about the taliban as the will he yet mat rurals of afghanistan today. the number two in the taliban is saraj haqqani. number two. the deputy leader of the taliban is the head of the haqqani network. they are a foreign terrorist organization. they have been designated that way since 2012. will, when i heard the president of the united states stand before the nation and say al-qaeda is gone from afghanistan, first, my head almost exploded. then i almost fainted. and then i realized this is a gift. because i have been

network, and he's a member of the haqqani family, and they are close to al qaeda. so it's very unclear as to how exactly they stand, but they're pretty efficient and rather disciplined group. so if they decide that they're going to play ball for the time being with the americans, that could be to the american advantage although ideologically they're closer to al qaeda. again, al qaeda is an organization that's largely been crushed in afghanistan, and isis is trying to fill that super extremist vacuum. so it's a very complex environment, making very strange bedfellows. i think any immediate attempt by the united states is a pipe dream to get the isis-k oper operatives. these are people who have been operating in this urban environment, committing appalling atrocities. you'll recall recently a bomb attack at a girls school. that was isis khorasan. they particularly pick on these groups where they can try to sow sectarian discontent. they're all about creating friction, and that's exactly what this attack was about, trying to create friction between the taliban and th

haqqani, who founded the haqqani network was one of osama bin laden's closest mentors.at the hip with al qaeda. they're number two in taliban and in control of kabul. al qaeda is effectively in control with the capital of kabul. in total cahoots with the taliban. the option we made provide our security and legitimatized the taliban. isis-k may have been responsible for the bombing but likely did it with the knowledge of the taliban and al qaeda. while we assassinate ad couple of leaders of isis who were released from that prison out of bagram, thousands of fighters are swamped country. they're happy to expel the americans. will there be fighting after we leave? absolutely. make no mistake taliban are tied to al qaeda. they claim only domestic focus right now. if they hit us again they would. the problem the way we left we legitimatized the taliban. some parts of the state department are considering whether to recognize the taliban as the government there. that would be recognizing a legitimate terror state 20 years after 9/11, exact opposite what we were supposed to do.

we could talk about al qaeda or haqqani, but i suspect they have done this and it is embarrassing to the taliban. no you do we care about that? not really. but it does pose some threats to our neo operation, our noncombat ant military operation. the neo which has been having spits and starts, i said the other day with you that had t has different phases. we have just entered the third phase. it is a contested neo that just got more contested because the enemy now has a vote. truthfully, kate, i expected this. didn't expect it today. i expected it tomorrow. and the reason why i say tomorrow is because it is friday. it is the day of prayer. and anybody that conducts a suicide attack which we will find out this was, has to give blessings from their isis-k imam before they go out and conduct the attacks. so i expect this to be in the afternoon on friday unfortunately for many people it came today. but i think it is critically important that yesterday the embassy knew of these threats, they got a majority of people out there but still you have a lot of afghans who were charging gates beca

he's now assumed to be with the haqqani network. so it does seem a bit interesting that chris miller thinks it's so easy to get this american hostage freed when he didn't do so when he was defense secretary. >> martha: thanks, jennifer. jennifer griffin reporting from the pentagon. joining me now, general jack keane, former vice chief of staff for the army. good to have you with us. a lot has happened over the last several days. i want to go backwards from what we just heard from jen psaki with regard to a future presence of al-quaida, terrorist organizations, isis in afghanistan. listen to this. >> we're not going to do anything that will allow terrorists to grow or prosper in afghanistan or any terrorist organization. that continues to be the president's commitment and his order to the u.s. military the last several days show that he will deliver on that promise. >> martha: general, before you answer that, i'd like to play this from jake sullivan, the national security adviser on this topic. then your thoughts. watch. >> we have t

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haqqani is in charge of security in kabul. he's the number one hostage taker of americans. and the number one mass murderer of afghan civilians. those are the two principal tactics that they brought to the jihadist echo system and they are the bridge between al qaeda and taliban. so maybe we'll start being serious again. i think that we've exuded extraordinary weakness and that invites these kind of attacks. >> let me ask you this. the troops have already begun to leave. the deadline has been set and the president is sticking to the deadline but that deadline is when the last light is turned off in kabul by the u.s. forces that the evacuations have to end before that because, well you have to get all of the troops off the ground. is there any wiggle room, flexibility for the president here to extend that deadline, to get more people out, both americans and people who served with americans? >> i think the question is what is the mission. is it just following through on the surrender and withdraw or is the mission to get out all americans and get out the afghans at grave risk

the advance of the taliban was rapid but we hearing about the haqqani network, the interplay betweenafghanistan, what does the consolidation look like? >> those groups have us in their crosshairs and for sure the taliban and isis have been in contact with one another but when they have common interests, no question the taliban and responsible for the outer perimeter was not doing their job when they allowed suicide bombers in a couple days ago. also the haqqani network notorious for ruthless suicide attacks against innocent civilians and coalition forces -- eric: hasn't haqqani been absorbed into the taliban, doesn't that tell us about the marriage of those groups? are they more or less one and the same? >> they've been part of the taliban and forever. when you say marriage, there's a lot of intermarriage going on including the haqqani network and al qaeda. they are very much linked together and we should expect that al qaeda will enjoy the same sort of sanctuary they did before 9/11. we can't let that happen but we've gone dark and created our own fog of war, we won't have the intel

bin laden's closest mentors al-qaida haqqani one and same haqqani completely you yint graitsdz intoistration believing them, being at behest never going in have offense to put them on heels now once all of our troops are gone having gin um bagram air base all our equipment reedu isis-k fighters released legitimized meps of state department willing to consider whether to recognize taliban? years ago recognizing trumper organization certainly haqqani legitimized have equipment believe they defeated americans like o soviets we are relying on over horizon approach militarily frankly for most evacuation we have relied on ad hoc groups of veterans, another's the state trying to do their best by afghan allies as american government he effectively turned back. biden and company recognized taliban making it if de facto government elevating trusting it negotiating with it, one otherening you were talking about, the head of the haqqani network -- he is -- the stated department if you go to fbi web site there is a seeking information notice on this terrorist. with the state department offering

the taliban may not be interested in another 9/11, but people like the high connie network -- haqqani network are. i think adam and i would agree that the idea of the united states going around and flanking people with drone strikes now and again is both risky, not terribly humane, and not likely to significantly deal with this. how do we gain situational awareness, partnerships? i think the borders are a significant issue. the problem on the board are transnational cartels, not terrorists. if they are going to come, they will get on a weekend flight and come here, because terrorists like pretty debility, and they know what they will face could more than likely, they would just recruit somebody here to do something. i never looked at the southern border as a major national security threat. i think that has changed. when you have literally millions of people crossing the border and it is unbelievably easy, and you have no idea who they are, if i were trying to bring terrorist assets into the united states, that is how i would walk in, frail bunch of reasons. we need security at the sou

and it is a former haqqani network mid level officer that is believed to be at the head of isis right history and big bench strength in building suicide bombs which means they know how to make them, they know how to hide them, they know how to make them as deadly as possible. and i think that is what we're seeing here, this skillset developed almost over a generation and in afghanistan's context by the taliban as well. i would say in theory therefore the taliban should know what they are looking for. we know that their security perimeter has not been effective. >> thank you so much for breaking all of that down. >>> let's bring in cnn national security analyst julia kayhemp very helpful to have you. help us out with some of the criticism that the biden administration has been getting for relying on the taliban for securing that perimeter. in your mind, is that fair criticism or really was there no other solution? >> i think that it is the latter. my general feeling about criticism is, and what is the alternative. we lost a war, the taliban is in charge of the country. they are giving

he's been haqqani's with the army and intelligence service.nter intelligence implications and sharing information with kalil and the taliban, which can reveal our capabilities that we use against them and other groups that we're pursuing. there is also legal issues for the intelligence community to consider where we can't pass information to a foreign government unless we can speak to their human rights record. now despite depictions of taliban 2.0, i believe the taliban are really unchanged and i think their human rights record will bear that out which will make it difficult, not impossible to share information but there is a lot of risk and consequences of doing so. >> general marks, how worried are you when you hear senior u.s. officials respond like that, though? just to say they're separate entities? >> major concern. there is a distinction without a difference and any discussion of taliban 2.0, i think is academic and a friendly face with the taliban hopes to be putting on now because they need desperately need global support. we have to

husain haqqani. turning to the olympics now and we've now reached day nine of the games.ble as it stands at the moment: china is on top with 22 gold medals followed in second place by the united states with 19 golds and host nationjapan currently in third on 17 golds. we'll talk about the sport itself in a moment and what we can expect in the coming hours but first mariko oi is in tokyo for us. thank you, rich. well, the number of new covid—i9 cases here in tokyo surpassed 4000 for the very first time yesterday, which is quite concerning because usually, we expect these numbers to be quite low over the weekend because of the number of tests that can be carried out. but even more alarming is the proportion of those tests coming back positive, hitting almost 20%, according to the tokyo government. across japan as well, we saw yet another record — way above 12,000. though i have to say that is not the top news headline on this newspaper. this is the article about those numbers, while the silver medal won by the team judo is getting a lot more prominence. meanwhile, all the s

to haqqani network. taliban will say, we didn't do it, this is haqqani, this is al qaeda. when they're saying that we have a credential for the afghan ministers, governors, and high ranking people in the presidential palace, they cannot even move from their house or wherever they are hiding. how do you want them to come to the airport? like i said, this should be handled in a very different way. and the way i'm helping here is way better coordinated than what i'm seeing from our administration, unfortunately. >> you make a good point, ate question that's been asked of the pentagon and will continue to be asked by our teams that are there trying to get a handle on exactly what is being done in the situations like you suggested. i want to ask you about something that president biden said today. i'll play you a short clip and ask you a question on the other side. listen to this. >> it is a process to try to figure out how we deal with the mad rush of non-americans, those who didn't help, those were not on t

states -- they have aligned with the haqqani network and others.omething i'm sure that our viewers are very well aware of, the -- that was launched out of nangarhar province in jalalabad, into pakistan and as we all know, pakistanis were not given any kind of heads up that the u.s. relaunching that rate. and again, since we are just talking to what happened on the afghan side of the border, most likely there was not a heads up to the pakistanis before the attack. >> the long term consequences of all of these things, the way these things play out overtime becomes more and more opaque with all of these pieces changing, all of these dynamics changing at once. nbc's courtney kirby, thank you so much for short notice. i have a feeling that we will talking you again as we have more information about this over the course of the night. >> again, courtney could be helping us break that news which we have just learned from spokesman for central command, the united states government, the united states military has retaliated for the isis-k, isis khorasson att

haqqani, a long-term taliban negotiator, wanted a peaceful transfer of power and that the government should issue a statement of surrender. but ghani fled, and the official insists there was no single scapegoat here because the process was never fully controlled by afghans, in the first place. now, of course, important to remember this is a -- an administration that essentially fled the scene justifying their actions. but i was stunned to hear from that the u.s. persistence towards pushing them towards negotiation. and i think the sense, possibly, too, that they were never really able to keep pace with the speed of afghan advances. that, we knew. but what i didn't know and what i think will always stay with me is the idea for a member of the haqqani network, an affiliate, being the people of al qaeda, being the people who tell that afghan administration it's time to surrender. that's the reason the u.s. went into afghanistan, and they're the people it seemed who told the government the u.s. were backing to get out. >> yeah. unbelievable. really appreciate that. nick paton walsh, than

al qaeda, the second person in the taliban is al qaeda. >> the afghan al qaeda is the haqqani network they are leading the negotiations. the man is in prison, the brother. he's in the leadership of the taliban. he's the face of the afghan al qaeda and they are supported by pakistan and pakistan didn't tell the u.s. that it was invading. or if they did come of the u.s. would've known about it. >> ben: i want to follow on the information that larra has given you to circle back and consider. how big of a mistake it was over multiple and ministrations to not hold pakistan to account for its continued support of all of this. the fact is we didn't want to get into another messy scenario over there and there were all these different rationalizations of it, and that certainly when, both when masharif was in power and then afterwards. we are seeing the consequence of it play out in front of us witches these taliban fighters have better support, better material, better resources. they were being fed, paid, as opposed to a lot of these afghan fighters who were being isolated, being left behind b

who helped americans won't be used for horrendous reasons by the haqqani network or others?chuck, it's simply not the case. the idea that we've done anything to put at further risk those that were trying to help leave the country is simply wrong. and the idea that we shared lists of americans or others with the taliban is simply wrong. >> what was shared? >> so in specific irn stances, when you're trying to get a bus or a group of people through and you need to show a manifest to do that -- particularly in cases where people don't have the necessary credentials on them or documents on them, then you'll share names of the lists of people on the bus so they can be assured those are the people we're looking to bring in. by definition, that's exactly what's happened. we've gotten 5,500 american citizens out of afghanistan. to the extent in an individual case with a particular group or a bus, to verify that the people on the bus or in that group were people who were supposed to come out, american citizens -- especially, again, if they lack the right document with them, that's wha

isis, taliban and haqqani network have turned to suicide bombing. it wasn't initially like this in the early parts of the war. the taliban was against suicide bombing and they turned that way. we can protect our service members and pull it back. there is a threat stream active. the crowds that gather p they come in and detonate isis doesn't care about the afghans or civilians. they kill as many as they can and making a statement. it is very hard to prevent. >> harris: commander sears, i want to watch something with you. it really comes out of one of the last few questions to the pentagon moments ago about what president biden said yesterday. let's watch and i'll get your thoughts on it. >> president biden: to those who carried out this attack, as well as anyone who wishes america harm, know this. we will not forgive. we will not forget. we will hunt you down and make you pay. >> harris: critics weighing in on twitter quickly. former u.s. attorney andy mccarthy. flash forward to next week. we're working closely with our new anti-american jihadist par

most extreme terrorist attacks beforeis showed up, they were carried out by the haqqanis.they have links to isi, pakistani intelligence, and influenced a lot by them also. the old school television and the television from eastern afghanistan, they hate isi. so you have like an umbrella called the taliban, but under that umbrella you have different kinds of taliban who have frictions depending on what subject you're talking about. and what kind of afghanistan are we going to have? that is a good should because the thing is, what i have lened my days here and also before i came here is they have not agreed on what kind of afghanistan we are going to have. they have postponed some of the decisions about what they want. some of the topics we discussed a lot, some of the progressives in afghanistan and the educated ones in afghanistan, liberal people talking about women's rights, freedom of speech. the taliban, for example, when they talk about women's rights and female education, they talk about female working, they say, of course we allow it. but whin the islamic framework. s

it is a former haqqani network mid level officer that's believed to be at the head of isis right now. isis have a huge skill set and a deep history and a big bench strength in building suicide bombs, which means they know how to make them, how to hide them and make them as deadly as possible. i think that's what we're seeing here, their skill set developed almost over a generation. you would say in theory therefore the taliban should know what they're looking for. we know their security perimeter has not been effective. >> susan, you know, the u.s. had taken solace that up until now not a single american had been killed. then to learn in one fell swoop 12 u.s. service members killed, 15 wounded and again the numbers have been fluid in terms of afghans. what do you think changes over the next four days? >> i was struck, you know, by the sense of almost grim resolution on the part of general mckenzie who just gave us the updated casualty information and this horrific figure of 12 american personnel killed. that would make it already the worst day since 2011 in terms of american deaths i

there was a member of the haqqani family there, the haqqani network is an al qaeda-linked insurgent groupence, though, they struck this interesting pragmatic almost conciliatory note. they are insisting there is a general amnesty for those who served alongside u.s. and allied forces, there will not be retribution against those people. there are reports of exactly that happening, but the taliban are very eager to show that they will be a responsible governmen responsible member of the international community. they are very eager to make sure the airport gets reopened, and humanitarian aid starts flowing back in afghanistan especially with the winter coming, and they want investors to come and spend money in afghanistan. they are telling people, taliban-ruled afghanistan is a good place to do business, believe it or not. despite these gentle words from their new rulers, some are terrified and none more so than those that served alongside u.s. troops. >> matt, you are posted up in germany where there are evacuees being sheltered, right? >> reporter: actually, they moved on. as of last night

i'm not sure they can enforce can with haqqani right now, or other parts the country where the taliban is more in groups rather than a unified investigation. >> connor powell, nick paton walsh, kylie atwood, juliette kayyem. thank you very much for helping us understand what's happening today. >>> so, we are also following breaking news out of the fda. it's granting full approval of the pfizer's coronavirus vaccine for people age 16 and up. this could drive up vaccination rates for those who said they were hesitant about it being just emergency use only. we have much more, ahead. at pnc bank, we believe in the power of the watch out. that's why we created low cash mode, the financial watch out that gives you the options and extra time needed to help you avoid an overdraft fee. it's one way we're making a difference. low cash mode on virtual wallet from pnc bank. oh! are you using liberty mutual's coverage customizer tool? so you only pay for what you need. sorry? limu, you're an animal! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ i booked our hotel on kayak. it'

interests, but the taliban remains closely aligned with al qaeda, with the haqqani network. i mean there is a really serious counterterrorism issue that is going to develop in afghanistan. what is going to happen to all of our asset has are on the ground there helping us fight this counterterrorism mission? i think from the counterterrorism perspective it is going to be enormously challenging now to have the operations put back together i mean al qaeda is what i would be watching as well as isis-k. >> a lot of humanitarian groups and especially veterans groups and others have been working to secure safe release. nobody knows this better than you. are those operations, are they shut down now that the united states is out or what happens? >> i mean there are so many veterans, there are so many people in the ngo communities who are really focused on the effort to try to secure safe passage forthe most in perille afghans that have helped the united states and have been women's rights activists i think that effort will continue but, again, i think it is going to be enormously cha

we already know what they're doing in terms of haqqani. >> andrea, i heard an interview with richardokesmen of the taliban in which he asked about bin laden's role in the 9/11 attack and the spokesman for the taliban said that there's no evidence that he's seen that bin laden was involved in the 9/11 attack. now, if that's the taliban's position, and i think it is, there's no question in my mind that the taliban is going to allow al qaeda safe haven in afghanistan and one of the primary missions of our effort in afghanistan after 9/11 was not only to get bin laden which we were successful at doing, but also to prevent afghanistan from ever becoming a safe haven for terrorism. and fortunately, today, that mission was not accomplished. >> and mr. secretary, i'm afraid i'll have to interrupt because the louisiana governor is about to hold a news conference about the situation with hurricane ida. i hope you can stand by and we can bring you back afterwards. >> i'm sorry, in st. john the baptist parish. we have additional law enforcement that will be on the ground to help you, sheriff, st

they put the haqqani network in charge of security in kabul. the haqqani network is one of the most dangerous organizations in afghanistan and probably around the world. no question that relationship between taliban and terrorism remains that will have ramification. afghanistan will likely become springboard for international terrorist attacks. likely a conduit for radicalizing ideology. and destablizing -- elizabeth: you know, here's the thing, you know what paul is talking about, congressman, you know, jen psaki is the white house press secretary is trying to downplay and claim no one anticipated that afghanistan would fall as rapidly as it did when embassy workers inside of afghanistan warned yeah, it will collapse. the cia was saying over last year it will collapse if the troops pull out. >> yeah. elizabeth: the list of mistakes are long. they surrendered bagram airbase. what other mistakes do you see they made? >> that is just a bunch of spin and a bunch of garbage. she should be ashamed of herself. republican democrat members of congress

there is a marbling, if you will, of taliban and haqqani. what i'm pushing back a little on, lucas, is the relevance of that discussion to what we're doing today, complete an evacuation safely and get our troops and fources at the airpot out safely. that's what we're focused on. >> one more question. every major newspaper and television news outlet has said the u.s. military brass recommended to the president to leave 2,500 troops in afghanistan and not pull out. have you asked any of the outlets for a correction? >> say that one again. >> every major newspaper and television news outlet has reported that top pentagon brass, defense secretaries, forces in afghanistan, that chairman of joint chiefs recommended to the president that 2,500 u.s. troops should have stayed in afghanistan, not been pulled out. have you asked any news outlet for a correction to those stories? >> thanks for repeating it. we don't make it a habit to talk publicly one way or the other, right, wrong, up, down, more or less, about the advice and counsel that pentagon lea

the haqqani network in pakistan is thick as thieves with al-qaeda, and haqqani himself was marching throughident of the united states to simply say that that's not true, it's a travesty. it's really almost unbelievable that he's operating in that level of denial about what the facts are on the ground. jackie: it is scary, sir. john hannah, i'm so glad we got you back and had a chance to talk to you, thank you so much. >> thank you. jackie: parts of the united states are preparing for the first direct hurricane hit in 30 years. when landfall is expected, we'll tell you next. ♪ ♪ (vo) singing, or speaking. reason, or fun. daring, or thoughtful. sensitive, or strong. progress isn't either or progress is everything. age-related macular degeneration may lead to severe vision loss, so the national eye institute did 20 years of clinical studies on a formula found in preservision. if it were my vision, i'd ask my doctor about preservision. it's the most studied eye vitamin brand. if it were my vision, i'd look into preservision preservision areds 2 contains the exact nutrient formula recommended by

siraj haqqani, who is a prominent al-qaeda member and also the military commander of the taliban.are utterly intertwined and connected and what we are seeing is the establishment of a jihadist terrorist state in afghanistan and all of us will be at much higher risk as a result of this. you said in the middle of that answer, "it is time to think again." you are not seriously suggesting that the white house presses the pause button this close to the deadline? heck yes, i am. i guess the question is for all of our political leaders, what is the mission? is the mission just to complete our surrender and withdrawal? or is it to get our citizens out and the afghans who are at the highest and most grave risk because they assisted us and were engaged in trying to build a better future for their country? if it is the latter, we better do a hell of a lot more than trying to hold on to a perimeter in a very small airport on the edge of a dense urban area. right? so if the mission is to get people out, our military can do that. we have the capability to do it. i think the question you're allu

what else do you need to know about sherrod haqqani, one of the worst criminals ever on the face of the earth who specializes his network in two things. mass murder of innocent people, and kidnapping. and that's the person who's in charge of the military wing of the taliban. he's also a member in very good standing in al qaeda. that just shows you these groups are completely interconnected, margaret and exist in an eco-systemhere in afghanistan and pakistan that houses over 20 u.s. designated terrorist organizations. just to give you a quick lineage on isis-k. isis-k came from many of the leaders. most of the leaders came from tariqi, formed to act as a terrorist arm of the foreign policy. then that group morphed into isis and these people are not adherent to just one particular group but to this violent felicity huffman. to establish this back nth seventh century. i think what's wrong about that statement is they're not driven principly by interest. >> you said this week, it's time to reverse course, scrap the withdrawal deadline and cut off dealings with the taliban. what should we do