phil: journalists harald maass went to investigate.e told us about some of the things he saw. >> i managed to travel around over 2000 kilometers to mainly on the land way by trains, buses. you have to imagine, the whole area is more or less sealed of from journalist and correspondence. they have no possibility to do any research. i also conducted interviews and spoke to more than one dozen family members and former inmates of these camps. one form or in -- one former inmate told me about torture and described it. it was verified by human rights organizations. the scale of these people -- the people who are in these camps -- is hardly to believe. you will not find any family which does not have one or two or many famly members in these camps. these people do not have any information, how long they will be there. how their situation is there. a lot of people do not have any content. others have limited contact and can only speak by video telephone for a few seconds. it is hard to imagine the scale of this kind of control. phil: that is j