and to their credit, the rec/park golf team has been very, very committed to finding every way we possibly can to reduce pesticide use at harding park golf course. the -- i think that -- i also should explain we don't put public health pesticides in here because that is something for moe mosquitox, for example, that we really can't control. ~ it's something that is driven by mosquito outbreaks, west nile virus outbreaks, various public health issues, and also those are almost universally very low toxicity products. they are mike robial products that are in storm drains or hormones that are in tiny, tiny amounts ~. so, that's the rationale for not looking at that. these are the top 10 most used hazardous products in the city based on active ingredient, pounds of active ingredient. you'll see most of them are for golf courses. joining us now is [speaker not understood] which is an herbicide used for the really tough weeds, the woody, woody weeds that you would maybe need a backhoe to dig out or that you just himalayan back berry, cut down the stump and kill the roots [speaker not understood]. the good news is since we i think in

and to their credit, the rec/park golf team has been very, very committed to finding every way we possibly can to reduce pesticide use at harding park golf course. the -- i think that -- i also should explain we don't put public health pesticides in here because that