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marie harf is being criticized over comments she made here on "hardball."aid, we have to do more than kill terrorists, we have to get to the root cause of what leads them to violent extremists. >> are we killing enough of them? >> we are killing a lot of them and will kill more of them but we cannot kill our way out of this war. we need in the medium and longer term to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups, whether it's lack of opportunity for jobs, work with countries around the world to help improve their governance and build their economy to have job opportunities for these people. >> those comments didn't sit well with conservative commentators and they jumped on her. here they are. >> this is an insult to all of the people in the world who are actually poor and not blowing people up. >> exactly. >> and not targeting christians. >> now they send their spokesman from the state department to say, well, we cannot kill our way out of this war with isis. we're going to have to get to the root cause and find them jobs. >> this woman

one article comparing marie harf and jen psaki to you lucy and ethyl. piece said marie harf is a misfit. and jen psaki is pippy long stocking. and rude dwi giuliani the other day. >> when you listen to her, i swear to god, you think you're listening to a saturday night live oig parody of a person who should be a press secretary. >> what do you make of that personal mockery? >> again, i think it's not well placed. i think these are two professionals. marie has experience at cia. jen psaki didn't exactly have the typical brief to do state department spokesman job, they didn't have experience in foreign policy, but she'd been around high level political players. and why are we comparing her to pippy longstocking is this because there is a commonalty of red hair? that's the only reason i would sigh for that being done. and i don't think it speaks well of kevin williamson who i otherwise respect.and i don't think it speaks well of kevin williamson who i otherwise respect. >> back to the comments about isis. she repeat this haded this on cnn. she said maybe w

state department spokesperson marie harf faced an onslaught of criticism yesterday after making these comments about isis. >> we cannot win this war by killing them. we cannot kill our way out of this war. we need in the medium and longer term to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups. whether it's lack of opportunity for jobs -- >> last night harf doubled down on the stupidity all while insulting the intelligence of her critics. >> counterterrorism extremism takes on a variety of ways to do that here. part of it is military. but, look, if we look around the world and say longer term we cannot kill every terrorist around the world, nor should we try. look, it might be too nuanced argument for some. like i've seen over the past 24 the commentary -- >> too nuanced. we're too dumb to understand. the state department spokeswoman went out of her way to take a shot at christians, perhaps the strategy to deflect criticism away from the real threat. it's called radical islam. >> this is not just a threat in one place. if you look at the lord's resistance army and jose

but take a listen to marie harf.he thinks a shovel-ready job will fix all this. >> we can not kill out way out of this war. we need longer term, medium and longer term to go after root causes leads people to join groups. whether lack of opportunity for jobs. we can work with countries around the world to improve their governance. we can help them improve their economy to have job opportunities for these people. what makes the 17-year-old kids pick up ak-47 instead of try to start a is about. >> trying to start a business. >> oh, my god. i never heard that one. >> we're laughing but jihaddism has become a huge business for them. they have jobs. >> no. it actually, it pays very well not only financially but spiritually for them a great deal of payoff. the chamber of commerce in raqqa, what are they doing, sitting around not helping 17-year-olds launch businesses? >> it is interesting in the senate hearing today that james clapper is taking a part in national director of intelligence, at one point he was asked, can you

what marie harf is saying isn't untrue. if somebody had an opportunity -- in the big picture.ere is probably something else playing a much bigger role here which is a radical ideology. but every single person who is poor in the middle east isn't signing up for this. so i do think there is an issue of them being more clear about identifying that and i understand why they are not -- why they are staying away from the islamic -- calling it islamic because they need to bring in partners into this fight who are muslim. >> we're going to cope with the radical ideology by bombarding them with tweets using 350 state department twitter accounts. the problem with this is there is an old axiom you can't reason someone out of a position they haven't been reasoned into. they would rather behead people and crucify them and burn them alive and you will use 140 characters to say that isn't nice. that is surreal. >> and this is a terrorist group that wants to become a state and if i recall correctly, when suicide hussein invaded kuwait, we didn'tin haven't a jobs program to fight him back. >>

here's what the deputy state department spokeswoman, marie harf, said here in washington about the claim just moments ago. >> i cannot confirm those reports in any way. >> do you know -- >> obviously people are looking into them but cannot confirm them. >> do you know if the woman in question is alive still? >> we're just not going to get into specifics about americans being held overseas for privacy of them of their families obviously as you can imagine these are very sensitive situations. so we're just not going to get into these details. >> is it your understanding that the islamic state was holding an american woman? >> we've said -- >> without identifying her? >> we've said there are a number of americans being held overseas including still by the islamic state. i'm not going to get into further details than that. but i will say broadly that secretary kerry, our team in this building across the u.s. government are putting every effort behind finding any americans being held overseas every intelligence tool diplomatic tool the secretary has reached out to over four dozen countries ab

we just heard from marie harf earlier on, state department spokesperson, saying they are looking intoidentifying whether the person who is being claimed to be the victim is even being held hostage. what more do you know from the pentagon? >> reporter: across washington at this hour, u.s. agencies are looking into this, everybody from the white house national security council to the pentagon to the u.s. central command, the cia, looking into it as they do with all these claims, what they can possibly verify. right now, they can't verify anything. we know -- this has been reported in the past, that there is a female american aid worker that very sadly has been held hostage by isis for some time. news organizations like cnn have made a decision not to identify this person any further than that. some administration officials have even made very oblique references to her. so everybody knows -- isis knows that the u.s. knows. everybody knows that this woman has been there for some time. so isis knows in their own propaganda-driven minds that any claim about a female being killed would be a

reading comments and listening to comments from people like harf talking about jobs programs vis-a-viss, there is such disconnect. i don't know if it is willful blindness or i don't know if it is happy thinking. deeply concerning that seems like people running state department or speaking for them absolutely have no idea. >> they're all reluctant warriors. that is one of the reasons that the terrorists are so much on the march right now. they realize there is no response. cheryl: look exactly. we're getting comments like that from here last night. guys, thank you very much. appreciate it. >>> big name investor warren buffett moves rippling through stocks today. exxonmobil is the biggest loser in the dow after buffett's berkshire hathaway dumped nearly four billion in stock last quarter. the "oracle of omaha" also dissolving his stake in conocophillips. however buffett is reporting a new stake in 21st century fox, that is fox business's parent company and 5% stake in agricultural equipment-maker deere. big moves by mr. buffett. >>> the pope leading an ash wednesday procession on the ave

harf seems to imply that president obama intends a job program for radical islamist terrorists. comments like harf's insinuate that our president is biding time refusing all the while to name our enemies radical islamist terrorists and refusing to name christians muslims. the state department is ramping up anti-islamic state messages on social media. according to the "new york times," islamic state is wing the online propaganda war issue anding as many as 90,000 tweets each and every day. so the obama administration intends to send out more tweets like this one, quote -- that from the same state department account that last november tried and largely failed to call out the islamic state for publishing these pictures, one of which is i believe of hungarian porn, as you can imagine, far more attention was given to the fact that the state department knew the islamic state was using an image of hungarian porn rather than the fact the islamic state used image of hungarian porn as propaganda, and the administration has gotten the idea that this little item would work just the same or

hasn't ended up with flourishing markets in iraq and afghanistan, they pretty much hate us which leads harf to ask this poignant question. >> what makes the 17-year-old kids pick up an ak-47 instead of trying to start a business? . kennedy: she's so right. teenaged boys in syria should march over to the small business administration and demand loans for start-ups, seed money to launch the new app. it is so immature and short sided it's almost impossible to respond to. it's like saying jeffrey dahmer was a cannibal because he didn't have enough to eat, but instead of issuing an apology like she should have, harf decided to go back to the craps table and double down and what a load of craps. >> president george w. bush talked about poverty being one of the drivers that leads people to extremism. kennedy: that's what it is. it's so nuanced. the thrust of it was so complex only really smart psychic people who only consumed total garbage will ever be able to understand it. hashtag act on jobs. she need issue an apology, and guess what? she's not alone. bruce jenner in his transition from being t

let's go to marie harf.doesn't reference white house extremism, is that right? >> we talk about terrorism in a perverted warped vision of what they think islam is but we don't want to give them religious credibility. we don't want to give that to them so we don't think they have it. >> so you are not using the word islamic extremism or violence. you don't want to use the word islam at all, is that right? >> no. the secretary has said, people commit acts of terrorism with a warped vision of islam. the president has said the same thing. we can talk about what words we used. >> these extremists isis al qaeda, they are muslims, they are a tiny element of a million plus muslims out there but they are muslims. >> there are many that are not that commit violent acts of extremism or terrorism. we're going to call them terrorists and i would remind people that under this term no one should doubt our commitment to calling things like we see them and then taking action. >> you said that the u.s. cannot kill our way out

we are back with the state department deputy spokeswoman, marie harf. this is the base yemen, of aqap al qaeda in the arabian peninsula which represents a major threat to the u.s. to the europeans, to others and now the u.s. has abandoned that embassy in sanaa. a few months ago the president was saying it was a success story in yemen. now the u.s. is gone. what happened? >> it's a very complicated situation. when we made the decision about our embassy, obviously security has to govern what we do when it comes to our people overseas. it certainly doesn't mean we abandoned yemen or are not incredibly focused on it. the military still has assets there to work on counterterrorism issue which is obviously one of or key priorities there. as you mentioned, aqap the most dangerous affiliate of al qaeda certainly has threatened the homeland. we will keep working the situation even though our embassy's not there. we have an ambassador. we will keep talking to the parties and see if we can get -- >> have these houthi rebels actually gone into the u.s. embassy, the

turns out marie harf was right on message. we have reports that vice president joe biden today called attention to christian hate groups and violence done in the name of the bible. while the president chose to key in on the need to expand human rights and peaceful dialogue. >> let's have voices of tolerance and peace especially online. we have to get serious about confronting these economic grievances. we have to address the political grievances terrorists exploit. when people are oppressed and human rights are denied when dissent is silenced, it feeds violent extremism. and finally we have to assure that our diverse societies truly welcome and respect people of all faiths and backgrounds. >> chief white house correspondent ed henry is live tonight in washington. ed. >> good evening, megyn. for the second straight day the president looked like maybe he was more in an ivory tower than in the middle of a war. take a listen to some of the final sessions, the titles of these final sessions that included "understanding violent extr

harf says we can't kill our way out. killing will stop the beheading. if we kill them they can't behead. jobs a good idea. been waiting since february of 2009 for many americans to get stimulus for jobs. your thought on what is going on there. >> what she said root why isis has been able to galvanize westerner who's the fight is actually reasonable. president george w. bush said the same things. he said in the absence of -- with poverty you have a vacuum and lack of hope that can lead to terrorism. >> so much. >> i'm telling you this is what our previous president said. then is he wrong too. very silly after the day we saw 21 christians beheaded in egypt there is a sense in this country that there is not a sense of urgency about the severity of the problem within this white house. and that they are playing down the real security threat while they try to talk about the long-term resolution of root causes. why that is sensible and reasonable in the long term. the real concern here is that they are not focused on the immediate threat and that scarces peopl

also asaid, we will have the deputy spokes american marie harf will be our guest.e" back in a minute. . . >> we continue our conversation with general hayden. let's talk about u.s. foreign policy, if we have it if not, what do we need to do to get it? >> in one sense, joe, i think there might be some coherence in light of foreign policy. we get convergence i think on the belief of the current administration that in many ways we were the problem, that american overreach, american arrogance has led to a lot of the world's problems now i think after six, seven years of experience, i think it's beginning to dawn on a lot of folks, maybe we weren't the problem, all the times, even though we have made our mistakes. >> so what do we do forward to fix that? >> i think it calls for a more active american role in the world, american brigades in the iraqi or syrian desert. it requires a lot of attention by us using all the elements of our strength which are considerable, to engage in the world and look for better outcomes for a world that fundamentally now is more trouble tha

marie harf went on twitter today by noting that former president george w.d we need to fight poverty in order to deal with terrorism. though retired general jack keen says that these kinds of other tools can only take you so far in this dramatic battle. listen. >> we're here today because we all understand that in dealing with violent extremism, that we need answers to go beyond a military answer. we need answers to go beyond force. >> you do have to undermine the ideology stop the finance and get at the root causes of political reform. >> right. >> social injustice and economic repression. that is true. but in front of us is isis, who is marauding over iraq and syria now libya, the only way to stop them is to kill and capture. >> now to general keane's point in the last couple of hours as these reports have been surfacing that up to 45 iraqis were burned alive in western iraq by isis. of course, this would come just a couple days after that gruesome beheading of 21 christians in libya by isis, as well. the body count continuing to grow. i pressed jen psaki,

turns out marie harf was right on message. we have reports that vice president joe biden today called attention to christian hate groups and violence done in the name of the bible. while the president chose to key in on the need to expand human rights and peaceful dialogue. >> let's have voices of tolerance and peace especially online. we have to get serious about confronting these economic grievances. we have to address the political grievances terrorists exploit. when people are oppressed and human rights are denied when dissent is silenced, it feeds violent extremism. and finally we have to assure that our diverse societies truly welcome and respect people of all faiths and backgrounds. >> chief white house correspondent ed henry is live tonight in washington. ed. >> good evening, megyn. for the second straight day the president looked like maybe he was more in an ivory tower than in the middle of a war. take a listen to some of the final sessions, the titles of these final sessions that included "understanding violent extr

. >> john kerry, secretary of state wrote an op ed in it he kind of fulfills everything that marie harf started that president obama followed in. look at what he said. he said we must taylor our efforts and target our resources to meet the specific needs of those places. it may be training young people so they can get jobs and envision a future of dignity and self reliance. now, lisa, we're talking about jihadists. >> exactly. we're talking about jihadists as monica pointed out that want the rest of the world to live under is that rea law and if you don't agree with their beliefs they will kill you. we saw them light a swrord yan pilot on fire, execute 21 christians because they do not agree with their extremist beliefs. it is incredibly ask a every that we have an administration and president that is dangerously incompetent with the facts and the realities of what we're facing with isis. >> let me ask you this, juan, let's say things were better for all these countries where all these jihadists are coming from, things were better economically do you think as lisa points out that would

. >> we'll have marie harf live on "morning joe" to continue the conversation. >>> a big development with one of the top tools used against isis and other militant and terrorist organizations. the obama administration's approved the sale of u.s.-made drones to american allies. that's a big change. so far america has only sold armed drones to the united kingdom. the sales will be approved on a case by case basis with assureses they'll only be used for legal purposes. officials say this give greater control over how and when they're used. the president said the united states would need to slow the use of drones because americans would be targeted without due process. >>> day two of the white house summit on violent extremism will begin. a lot of people are talking about it. vice president joe biden had a busy day yesterday, and he kicked off the event which more than 60 nations are attending. the obama administration is rejecting concerns that they teamed up with boston-based muslim organizations that had past connections with terrorism. the white house is also defending its decision n

state department spokesperson marie harf further inflamed critics by suggesting that poverty and lack of jobs has drawn vulnerable youth to isis. department of homeland security secretary jey johnson tried to explain the administration's reasoning to john roberts. >> so refer to isil as occupying any part of the islamic theology is playing on a battlefield that they would like us to be on. i think that to call them -- to call them some form of islam gives the group more dignity than it deserves. >> the chairman of the house homeland security committee today seemed to suggest that the administration is in denial about the root causes of the threat. >> that's who these terrorists are but we have to say it's a terrorist movement, radical islamic extremism, a terrorist movement to spread this hatred of ideology. and could completely ignore that fact is not being very honest with the american people or the global leaders who were at that conference. >> in a piece in the atlantic magazine that is getting a lot of attention, writer graham wood wrote this about the obama's administration. "we

joining us the state department deputy spokes woman, marie harf. thanks for coming in. what were the targets today of these jordanian and u.s. air strikes in syria? >> well i think what you saw today was jordanian resolve really strengthened even more after this horrific murder of their pilot, and you saw them take the fight as they have been directly to isil. obviously we are fighting alongside with them. we have been targeting isil leadership isil training isil weapons caches and that is certainly going to continue. >> is it going to -- continue is one thing. what about intensify? >> absolutely. i thisnk the jordanians have spoken to this. if isis was trying to shake our resolve or jordan's resolve, i think they have done the opposite. the jordanians have been incredibly forceful in their response and have said this will intensify. you heard king abdullah speak about it directly. >> so far jordan and some of the other coalition partners have been willing to use their fighter jets to bomb isis targets in syria but not isis targets in iraq. has that changed? >> well we

well state department spokeswoman marie harf said we can't kill our way to victory.o have a social media strategy to try to counter isis' successful social media campaign to recruit followers and to promote its message. the problem is as the tape you played just stated the u.s. government has been pretty awful at this. isis has been expert. but my concern is that this administration's policy towards isis is so indecisive, we will be broadcasting that indecisiveness over the internet through tweets and social media posts that i think will actually undermine our position against isis by doing this. >> i think people have the question of the fundamentals out there. what are you tweeting about? if you can't hash tag radical islam, how vague is this campaign going to be set forth by our own administration? >> that's right. we need a real strategy. the center for security policy on our web site secure freedom.org, we have a real strategy called a secure freedom strategy to defeat the global jihad movement. at the white house right now, at this counter violent extremism sum

explain that one, marie harf. the state department glimpsed into his soul explaining all the ways he's able to justify bringing hell on earth? his real name is reportedly mohammed emwazi, you can believe it? according to statements from friends, he went through post college existential crisis on a botched safari trip to tanzania. he was detained and deported. after that he radicalized, apparently became obsessed with somalia and disappeared, claiming to want to fight for freedom and justice. how is it that these words with pretty straightforward definitions can be bastardized by bastards who use them to extinguish life and freedom. and if jihadi john is such a big shot. why the mask, buddy? who are you hiding from, tough stuff? >>> her royal hillariness coming under fire for epics breach busy not protecting embassies as secretary of state. the clinton manifesto acts as the world's anti-malaria sir ink and global policy incubator, whatever the hell that means. accepted millions of dollars from foreign governments a

marie harf is getting attention on how you fight isis and when. this. >> we are killing a lot of them and we're going to keep killing them. and so are jordans and egypt. we cannot kill our way out of this. we need to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups. >> and i'll throw this question to each of you. but this goes to the gut feeling of a lot of americans that there is something other than just wiping isis off of the map but there is other social things that need to be done within the societies and i will say that just the reactions from jordanians after their pilot was killed was viscerally the same way, you can't just go in and wipe isis out there is something oeshl we should -- something else we should be doing socially. >> let me go further and even if we defeat isis and we will, it is a matter of time. you have to discredit this ideology itself unless you bury it once and for all. or another group will come about. and you need to defeat it from within. defeat arab government and ideology and defeat the social oxygen

harf added she isn't saying anything that military commanders have not said before.ment. the united states is unmatched when it comes to military might. american troops toppled saddam hussein in 20 days. our troops remain in iraq to this day and isis controls large parts of that country. afghanistan, we're still there. so let's put those conflicts into context. a report from the congressional budget office shows that nearly 3,500 troops died in iraq. nearly 1,800 troops in afghanistan died. 1,000 troops lost limbs in iraq and afghanistan. the u.s. sent arms to libyan rebels moammar gadhafi fell. isis is at work in libya. houthi rebels are now in control of yemen. so partisan rhetoric aside, can we kill our way out of the isis threat? with me now to talk about that is republican congressman scott perry. welcome, sir. >> good morning, carol. great to be with you. >> nice to have you here. you served in iraq. i'll ask you that question. i know it doesn't sound sensitive and i mean no respect but can we kill our way out of this? >> unfortunately armed conflict is only a

the young thugs i've encountered myself around the world that is an incredible bargain, and marie harf of the state department thinks they need a job as a walmart greeter? >> what do you think of the president's response, it bleeds it leaks, do you think the media is feeding the furor frenzy and adding to vulnerability. what do you think of that line? >> which came first the terror or the headlines. >> true. >> the media did not create terrorism. now, to be fair, we are prisoners of the terrorists. we're hostages because when they stage a spectacular event such as the "charlie hebdo" massacre in paris. we have to cover it, we have no choice. the american people want to know. despite our best intentions we help give them their brand, build their brand so we're trapped in the middle of. this but the answer would not be keep the american people in the dark. so again keep it in perspective. without terrorist attacks there would be no headlines about terrorism. without islamic state's astrosities, you and i wouldn't be discussing it. >> which came first the chicken or the egg. give us an id

thank you will, marie harf, for coming on the show. >>> who is for sure going to win the oscar on sunday? that's on "hardball," coming back. man (sternly): where do you think you're going? mr. mucus: to work, with you. it's taco tuesday. man: you're not coming. i took mucinex to help get rid of my mucusy congestion. i'm good all day. [announcer:] mucinex keeps working. not 4, not 6 but 12 hours. let's end this >>> well, one congressman from california weighed in on the issues of gender identity, and bullies, by sharing his own family's story. democrat mike honda tweeted out this photo of himself and his granddaughter captioning it as the proud grandpa of a transgender grandchild. i hope she can feel safe in school without fear of being bullied. honda received an outpouring of support from the lbgt community, who responded, these children need our protection and our love. and we'll be right back. >>> we're back with a roundtable. liz, danny, and perry. and sunday night, as we all know, is oscar night. it's coming up. wasn't to know who the "hardball" roundtable says are the sure bets to w

now, remember when spoke withes person marie harf said more jobs we'd have lesser to? not wrong. mo only had a degree in computers shall not like that expertise is in demand these days. so, when the fwhormal turned evil, what's the why? you could think religion, which provides one with burr pos, but come on there is no catholic isis. let's be honest isis offers thrills. you, charging across a desert gun in hand full of zeal and certainty, facing infidels plundering homes. when death is a step to nirvana what's the downside? so, the issue is our counteroffer. hard to champion a free society when own our leaders in media find it gross, heartfelt patriotism, the belief that this place is worth dying for is now seep as sillily an option for the ignorant. our military now fights prop began -- propaganda.from the cynical country it defends. when a leader ex-blames the roots of terror, remember, it is what we no longer root for, the root cause is our absent will when fighting is viewed with ridicule. be all that you can be, that used to be a rallying cry for the army, now it's "american

department has been relentlessly questioned over the last 48 hours after deputy press secretary marie harf seemed to suggest that the key to ending the terror threat is to create more jobs in the middle east. as if walmart could make a real difference in syria. here is the president just a couple of hours ago. >> al qaeda and isil and groups like it are desperate for legitimacy. they try to portray themselves as religious leaders, holy warriors in defense of islam. that's why isil presumes to declare itself the islamic state. and they propagate the notion that america and the west, generally, is at war with islam. we are not at war with islam. we are at war with people who have perverted islam. of course the terrorists do not speak for over a billion muslims who reject their hateful ideology. no religion is responsible for terrorism. people are responsible for violence and terrorism. poverty alone does not cause a person to become a terrorist. any more than poverty alone causes somebody to become a criminal. there are millions of people, billions of people in the world who live in abject p

harf who spooks for the state department, john kerry is telling the isis killers themselves and the worldt organized military opposition cannot defeat the terror group. that's just nonsense. if the world united against the jihad it would be defeated. but, again, there is no effort to do that and so the cross cities continue. history will show that president obama made enormous mistake by failing to leave a residual force behind in iraq that could have quickly mobilized against the isis savages when they begin infiltrating that country. the president was slow in recognizing the threat initially jay vee, junior varsity. president obama told the world yemen was bulldog against al qaeda. overrun by jihadists. american marines having to flee that country without their weapons. so, on the president's watch. of the countries have become safe havens. syria, iraq northern pakistan eastern nigeria, libya, somalia, iran parts of algeria and parts of afghanistan. that is quite a resume. we in america have been fortunate that our intelligence agencies and fbi as well as local police have prevented ano

here's marie harf at the state department. >> i cannot confirm those reports in any way. people are looking into them but can not confirm them. >> today jordan launched a second round of strikes on isis in retaliation for the murder of their pilot. a military offense named in honor of that man. thousands were on the streets and led by queen ran ya holding pictures of their fallen pilot. joining me on the phone, evan kohlmann, i want to start with you and what we know about this claim that the american hostage was killed in an air strike. >> it appears to come out of an isis media unit or isis linked media unit in raqqa. the claim itself is fairly short. it simply says as a result of continuous air strikes by jordanian aircraft outside of the city of raqqa that an american female hostage was killed. the message does include pii information, her name her address, in the united states and her e-mail address and try to authentic ate this and there are images provided which appear to show a demolished or semidemolished apartment complex outside of raqqa, which was one of the a

let's watch marie harf from the state department. >> i'm not sure i would take a mulligan on this oneut i think he went on to say something i would agree with. look in the short term, we are will killing them. we will continue to kill isis terrorists opposed to us. we're good at that. this is not specific to isil. military command politicians much both party counterterrorism experts agree if you want to prevent terrorist groups getting to other places getting more recruits you have to look at root causes that lead people to extremism. you have to do all of it. >> harris, you have got to wonder what isis is thinking when they see that is -- >> you think they're watching us? >> of course. this is the face of so-called american power. those, her and her colleague jen psaki. they look like they're ready to take on rush week at arizona university. they don't look like they're ready to take on the most brutal apocalyptic -- >> captain of the swim team. >> ironic. you bring up this, the these very academic-sounding tights. of these -- titles of these breakout sessions. it is not serious. >>

marie harf in exhibit "a" for the u.s. educational system, that woman has a masters degree in international relations from the university of virginia. moms and dads save your money. what she was saying about jobs terrorists need jobs? then we give them a union card and path to citizenship? i mean, osama bin laden was wealthy. and a major in the army, as i recall. the guy in copenhagen this last weekend, when he pulled the trigger, trying to kill a cartoonist and as many other danes as he could because he screaming jobs jobs jobs? no he was screaming allah akbar. the other thing she said, in the same interview is we can't kill our way out of a war. hey! marie! war is about killing! you get out of wars by killing enough of the other guys until they quit, or they're gone they're finished. she heard somebody somewhere say we can't kill our way out of this. somebody else said it. >> nazi germany, or japan i'm trying to understand the mentality. another part of me wants to laugh, but the other part of my wants to cry. you've got

republicans are saying, look it's great to do what josh earnest was saying and it's great to do what marie harf is saying. she got heat for saying, look, let's find them jobs. and sure, fine, economic opportunity can help prevent the spread of terror but what republicans are saying, the key piece here is more military power to actually kill the terrorists. listen. >> you know, look, jey johnson says we can't kill if they are recruiting faster. i agree. they need to kill more and they've got to kill as many as we can and quickly as we can. >> reporter: that gives you an idea of the stakes. the united nations is going into an emergency session to discuss isis and libya an important highlight, because this shows that isis has expanded beyond iraq and syria and now into libya and others as well. >> ed henry, thank you. now let's bring in stewart also serving as intelligence officer in the united states army. thank you for being here. >> good to be here. >> almost to a man with notable exceptions they say, no of course not not ground troops. so it's just all political yackity-yack. >> the political