>> harlan kelly, assistant general manager. one of the things we have learnt is having a continuous relationship with the program manager. one of the things that happened in the past is we had a contract started with that gbechtel. bechtel left, for a variety of reasons. i believe jim jefferson had the contract. that was bought out by jacobs. jim jefferson was bought out by persons. that happened in the first five years. after that, jacobs and parsons formed two teams. we had to decide -- a locked t f them had to decide which side to be on 3 at the end of that marriage, they competed against each other. aecom won the second five years. every time we went through this process, you had to retrain, rework, get acclimated with the team. that was one of the big lessons. we wanted someone who would work with us for the long term. the other thing we wanted to do was look at a contract in strategy. one of the things we have learned here is that we want to be more inclusive free we want to look for opportunities to bring contracts down