strong personality, i guess, because staying with those guys like lawrence geeot and curtis hayes, harless and others. it was challenging, but i stood -- i think they were kind of scared of me at times. weren't you charlie? but i did -- i didn't cook or sow. mother said good to school and get april education. don't depend on my man can take care of you. you can marry when you can't do anything else. i didn't learn those things. i had to help baby-sit, mother had several children. i learned how to clean. in the freedom house, kol by would come over and cook. she was a jackson resident who was president of the north jackson naacp, she said she didn't know how to cook either, she was the only female -- she had a sister and a lot of brothers. she watched what her brothers were doing and she would come in and scramble eggs for us and make some bread or something and have a big pot of eggs and grits for us and that's how we started bonding with mr. evers, and bob would take us -- i remember going to macomb, mississippi, with stolely carmichael. we went to liberty, mississippi, for the -- not jus