well, to discuss it, i'm now in joined by harley schrager, vice president of the schuler institute langer is great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. well, thank you very much for your invitation. now, let's start with the practical things. i know the germans used to be known for that practicality on attention to business and the other day german chancellor. all of shoulds remarked that one of the, i guess silver linings of the current confrontation between russia and the west in ukraine is the fact that germany is on track well being fully liberated from its dependence on russia. energy sources is that full free them as far as you're concerned. they're just trading one dependence for another. well, you know, has the freedom, the freeze, the freedom to not have food on the current government and germany is a disaster. and it's trying to use the situation that's outside of its control to carry out a transition, which i think is a foolish transition of we at the show or institute. think that the idea of a 0 net carbon world doesn't function and what's needed is new technolog

i'm now in joined by harley schrager, vice president of the schuler institute. mr. langer is great to talk to you. thank you very much where.

welcome back to wearing support harley schrager, vice president of the sheila institute mr. shang, or before the break, we mentioned the concept of das for the people and i did it on purpose because this confrontation between russian to west we often hear references to nasa's and this concept of dust. all was critical for i don't kibbler, he actually saw the people that's formed as a natural unit of humanity and believe that the whole and the sole purpose of the state was to, to serve the people. i wonder if this gentleman, anxiety around the question of national interest is at least partially related to germany, nasa wound. is it somehow shameful to stand out for your country, for your country's interest? because this is something that nats is used to extol. well, i would argue that he didn't really stand for national interest, but that his government represents. you can wait and that idea, these people, you put that out there. but it was really a government of corporations of corporate cartels, including trust arrangements with british and american firms. but the point you're making

i'm now joined by harley schrager, vice president of the schuler institute. mr. shlang, or it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. well, thank you very much for your invitation. now let us start with the practical things . i know that the germans used to be known for that book to galaxy and attention to business and the other day german chancellor. all of shoulds remarked that one of the, i guess silver linings on the current confrontation between russia and the west in your crane is the fact that germany is on track of being fully liberated from its dependence on russia's energy sources. is that full freedom as far as you're concerned, or just trading? one dependence for another? well, you know, have the freedom to freeze the freedom to not have food. the current government in germany is a disaster, and it's trying to use the situ.

well to discuss it, i'm now joined by harley schrager, vice president of the schuler institute. mr. shlang, or it's great to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. well, thank you very much for your invitation. now let's start with the practical things . i know that the germans used to be known before that broke to galaxy on attention to business and the other day german chancellor. all of shoulds remarked that one of the, i guess silly were a lie.