harold.> reporter: and although toni had always wanted to be a mom, it was pretty clear harold was mr. mom. >> he was the one in charge. the diaper change. most women have to beg their husbands to do that kind of stuff. he was the one -- he was like a nanny. >> reporter: hands-on dad? >> yeah. he was in charge of everything about that child. >> having a good little day here. >> reporter: with harold such a doting father, toni was able to go back to work. she soon built a thriving practice in colorado. >> she was a beloved doctor. she had a really great bedside manner. >> reporter: tammi abruscatto managed the practice. >> she took time. she treated her patients as a whole body not just their eyes. she was interested in their family life. she had the good old-fashioned southern hospitality. >> reporter: tammi saw how committed toni was to her patients. sometimes it was hard to get her to leave the office. so tammi was charmed when one day in september harold asked her for help. >> you get a ph

harold: yes. and lincoln had a second life mask taken a couple of months before his death, a much easier to bear process. but it never achieved the popularity of the first one. and the first mask of hands inspired poetry, again patronage of other artists who recognized it as the best model. valerie: there's a certain immediacy, too, of the hands seeing them, they make a really nice paper weight. here's a question i think we're going to get every week. and maybe the answer will be different every week. what item of the 50 objects is your favorite and the most significant? which might not be one and the same. which is your favorite? harold: my favorite is probably one that we will get to at the end of the program, at the end of the series, so i shouldn't say too much about it. but it is very much like a 19th century version of tim russert's famous oak tag tabulation of electoral vote. if those of you remember the disputed election of 2000, the late tim russert wrote down the votes -- here's how flor

harold: there it is. valerie: we have essentially the adaptation of the drawing into a woodcut engraving for leslie's paper in august, 1963. -- august of 1863. harold: and around the sidebar, not a big story. valerie: are there substantial differences between the woodcut version and the sketch? harold: i think it is sort of a normal at the nation for the day. the sketches tended to be rough, and the engravers back in new york cleaned them up a little bit. they added details. --hink what's most here is what is lost here is the depictions of the african-americans are a little more caricatured. as a fan of impressionism, i like the original, because of that dashed off impressionistic feeling. of seeing itvirtue adapted so that tens of thousands of readers could marvel at this remarkable incident. otherwise shell's drawings , remained his private property. again, remarkably, somehow, illustrated drawings came into the collection of the new-york historical society. the society has a trove of these . valerie: s

please,some background, harold. harold: this is an emotional story. this bible is an original bible so-calledsed at the colored orphan asylum, an institution for african-american orphans that was founded about tenure before -- 10 years before the draft riots, and was considered a model for the care of children. it had playrooms, gardens, sleeping quarters with very big windows to provide ventilation, and food, it had teachers, it had a population of orphans who, one of them went on to fight in the fabled 54th andachusetts regiment achieved "glory" from the movie of the same name at fort wagoner. at fort wagoner, african-americans died in huge numbers defending the union. so this bible was used inside the asylum, and i won't yet give away the story of why it is chart. valerie: so the orphan asylum was founded by quaker women in moved tos, and then this wonderful location in 1843. harold: fifth avenue and 43rd street, it was the northwest corner. landmark nearby was nothing new york public reservoir,t the big the new york reservoir that stood then on th

harold: on top of the petition. with the hat, right? harold: with that hat, right. grant, he was an informal fellow. and jefferson davis who is not an informal fellow, but has abandon his plantation for, quote unquote, public service, to function as the president of the confederacy. he believed the slaves had no legal right to their freedom. and he expected still he would win independence and he would petition for ownership. but, as we know, that is not what happened. a few days after that incident in the drawing, maybe we can look next at the newspaper. valerie: yes. we have essentially the adaptation of the drawing into a woodcut engraving for leslie's paper in august, 1963. harold: around the sidebar, not a big story. substantial there differences between the woodcut version and the sketch? harold: it is a normal adaptation for the day. the sketches tended to be rough, and the engravers back in new york cleaned them up a little bit. the added details. i think what is lost here is the depiction's of the african-americans are a little more caricatured. as a fan of

harold: 18. >> what was the date? harold: june 16, 1948. my friend and i were working down here at a warehouse and another friend in the guard came by and said you guys should join the guard, it is a pretty good deal. part-time, good work, a check every month. we had about $10 or so. we met every monday night and it was like three hours. we had two weeks of camp in the summer time. in north minnesota. we trained with classes and drills, and in the parking lot drilling. there were a lot of classes, calisthenics and things like that. we did that until we were called in for regular service in january of 1951. new we were going in in december, the korean war was that year, about 1950. they waited until after the christmas holidays. we went in january 16 of 1951. we marched down to the depot and loaded into a train and eventually we got down to alabama and that is where we were stationed. we left here with about 50% of our strength as far as personnel, and we fueled up down there with draftees and recruits. we trained again. that was all summer.

harold: it is. the jefferson was removed because they remodeled the fountain area in front of the white house where it had stood. the washington was -- showed washington and a toga, bare chested. and although it was visible. valerie: huge. harold: and it's visible in the early photographs of presidential inaugurations. lincoln looked at the back of it when he was inaugurated in 1861 and 1865 but people thought it was a riot to see george washington without a shirt and they nicknamed it georgie in his bath or georgie porgy. it was not washington but the work and eventually it was taken away in one of the early capitol plaza renovations and i think it sits in the national museum of american history where it's at eye level and you can't really tell much from it. it's sort of banished to a corner. but there it was. top of thethe stairway at the old state capitol in springfield illinois. state purchased for the and it sits just outside of the room where abraham lincoln delivered his house divided 1858.s

. >> next on the civil war, historian harold holzer and valerie paley of the new-york historical societyjects," with a focus -- and in this program, they discuss objects related to the july 1863 draft riots in new york city. at 6:45 p.m. eastern, 3:45 p.m. pacific, william jewell college professor gary armstrong on the u.s. senate's rejection of the 1919 treaty of versailles to end world war i, which president woodrow wilson had spent seven months overseas negotiating. everyone.ening, i'm delighted to have the opportunity to talk with my good friend and professional colleague, harold holzer. started,rold and i get you can ask questions anytime by -- by using the q&a button at the bottom or top of your screen. let's turn to objects that help us describe the civil war. at the civil war museum, heavy lifting stands in for historical narratives

harold, what are the next steps? >> where your mask.own woman, we wear masks and that's the experts and what they're encouraging. if you live in new york city in the new york area now, the reason why we flatten the curve here because we follow the directive. if we stop following them, it's likely the tide will turn the other way. hopefully we can find a way and we need to do this as a country. just to ensure that our public health remains high. it was >> mike: susan, quick on on coronavirus? >> we have to not just look at cases but hospitalizations whether the hospital can handle late and death rates which are our overall declining in the united states and people being infected now tend to be younger and less vulnerable to the deadly consequences of the virus. that's a very important component of this period of >> mike: tom, final thoughts on this issue? >> this is another issue and this is what the elections all about and president trump's handling of this and i agree with susan. there's a lot of focus on the case numbers but at the en

detectives out of a city police force of $6000.00 offices were just how much does harold van gelder actually see let alone control now. yes is it possible to say the percentage of women in the sex industry here and i'm system who have been trafficked now it's not possible it's. not even an estimation no no i don't i can't give you that because at least we don't even know how much how much prostitutes are working in amsterdam because we are not registration the prostitutes why should the police wretches straight them because we don't read straight all the butches for the bakers financing them. yet just a few miles across the city holland's national trafficking reporting organization has a very clear idea of the numbers of women forced into the country's legalized prostitution industry. if you look at the figures from last year we had about a 1000 registered victims of human trafficking about 80 percent is section history

commander harold stetson. a vital and a difficult job well done. appearing before the last session of the united nation come chris, he expresses the hope for a new organization. >> the charter of the united nations is a solid structure of which we can build a better world. history will honor you for it. between the victory in europe, and the final victory in japan, in this most destructive of all wars, you have won a victory against war itself. if we have had this charter, a few years ago and above all, the will to use it millions now dead would be alive. if we shall falter in the future, in our will to use it, millions now living will surely die. there is a time for making friends and there's a time for action, and the time for action is here now. talk let us therefore, each in his own nation and in his own way, seek immediate approval of the charter, and make it a living thing. by this charter, you have moved towards the goal, of that gallant leader, in the second world struggle, worked and fought and gave his life franklin de roosevelt. this new

host: harold holzer joining us, professor at public policy institute. first call for you sir is from cleveland, ohio. i ler: i was calling because o believe -- it keeps the pain in our hearts. wonder why is it that we're always, because i feel that 1812 e of the genesis where god told abraham they would be taken to a foreign land to serve them and they will be mistreat bid these people. and to this day they are mistreated by the people. the solidarity forever song keeps it in your heart to be against us. we don't mean harm. we just want peace. and we get attacked by the police. and the statue just shows about we need a master to educate ourselves. we don't. because before desegregation was put in we had fathers, we were teaching ourselves, we had -- we contributed to this country so much. the pea nuts. how you got all these fiber optics. a lot and yet we're attacked watching foreigners to our inner cities to come and cities with alcohol. host: you've made a lot of points there. we'll let the professor comment. guest: well, it's painful and deeply moving

there is harold ford jr. is currently chairman of rx saver. greg gutfeld, cohost of "the five" and the coauthor of the book "self-help >> first off i want you to know that i wore this jacket for you. i wouldn't have worn it for brett, i think you are special. what's amazing about trump is, in that clip he talked about russia, tiktok, that covid relief journey, hydroxy. he is essentially america's cabdriver. if you ask him he's going to tell you everything that's on his mind, 17 topics nonstop and he is certain about every one of them. i think that's part of the reason why the media kind of likes joe biden because they don't have to work as hard. he doesn't really have any opinions and doesn't want to get his hands dirty. trump jumps right in and everybody in the media just wants to work less. because trump is a lot of work. >> mike: any surprise, and that's the message there, your thoughts? >> it's an important message for trump because in order for him to when he needs to really sell his stewardship of the economy because right now americans

commander harold statson, former governor of minnesota. a vital and a difficult job well done.ring before the last formal session of the united nations conference, president truman congratulates the 280 delegates and expressed the new hopes for the new international organization. >> the charter of the united nations which you are now signing is a solid structure upon which we can build for a better world. history will honor you for it. between the victory in europe and the final victory in japan, in this most destructive of all wars, you have won a victory against war itself. if we had had this charter a few years ago and above all the will to use it, millions now dead would be alive. if we should falter in the future in our will to use it, millions now living will surely die. now, there is a time for making plans and there is a time for action. the time for action is here now. let us, therefore, each in his own nation and according to its own way seek immediate approval of this charter and make it a living thing. by this charter you have moved toward the goal for which that ga

harold ford jr., $100 of chips, what are you doing?merging so many reason and most smart, thoughtful, and i think elizabeth warren considers. kamala harris around, with the ability to win him win and govern and help manage congress will be one of the great challenges. >> bret: quick, byron, $100? >> i think the big question continues to be whether the democratic party in today's atmosphere will accept a all white ticket. that reason i've always been high on kamala harris set for $40 and elizabeth warren seems to be hanging in there with $20 and duckworth and deming's with $15 each. grisham and $10. >> bret: molly? >> i agree with byron that the strong case this year for black women by $50 on kamala harris and $25 on val demings out of florida, and $15 for keisha bottoms the mayor of atlanta dealing with issues down there and $10 in honor of charles on wine, women. >> bret: all right, we have one winner and loser and harold ford jr., spot on the dial and landed on you. winner and loser? >> bill connor, the fella who lost his daughter ab

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war,next on the civil historian harold holzer and valerie paley of the new-york historical society talkts featured in their publication "the civil war in 50 objects." in this program, they discuss objects related to the draft riots. this conversation took place online due to the coronavirus pandemic and the new york historical society provided the video. valerie: good evening, everyone. i want to remind you that you can ask questions anytime during the program by usg

this is what my dad and my uncle harold fought in world war ii against hitler's. he and his gestapo destroyed statues, artwork, etc. that is not who we are. i know you had a caller from rapid city that was opposed to mount rushmore. fors born in 1953, and i am it because it is a shrine of democracy. callers, many of them keep saying about the confederate people were traitors. let's remember our history, it was not -- the civil war was not fought about slavery, it was fought about the confederate states wanted their own control and their government being local. they were opposed to a national federal government. you have to remember that main part. host: ok. debbie in south dakota. we go to gloria in upper marble, maryland. caller: good morning. thank you for the opportunity to speak. black co-83-year-old preacher. into the fight for equal justice by the blood of emmett till. is -- that america america needs to stop talking out of both sides of its mouth. i am opposed to destroying history, but you cannot say you are the land of the free, home of the brave, give me

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war,xt on the civil historian harold holzer and valerie paley of the new york aboutical society talk artifacts featured in their joint publication, "the civil war in 50 objects," including a brown pike and a model of abraham lincoln's hand. minutes, james holland alliesbout his book "the strike back: 1941-1943, the war in the west" and nazi germany's weakening position in the middle the war. and temple university professor david farber talks about the origin of the 1960's vietnam anti-war movement. >> good evening, everyone. it is my absolute delight and to have the opportunity andpeak with my good friend professional colleague, harold holzer. said, please feel free and we'll q&a button get to as many questions as we can towards the end. attention to some us describe help the civil war and might we see of our book, "the

host: harold holzer joining us, professor at public policy institute.irst call for you sir is from cleveland, ohio. i ler: i was calling because o believe -- it keeps the pain in our hearts. wonder why is it that we're always, because i feel that 1812 e of the genesis where god told abraham they would be taken to a foreign land to serve them and they will be mistreat bid these people. and to this day they are mistreated by the people. the solidarity forever song keeps it in your heart to be against us. we don't mean harm. we just want peace. and we get attacked by the police. and the statue just shows about we need a master to educate ourselves. we don't. because before desegregation was put in we had fathers, we were teaching ourselves, we had -- we contributed to this country so much. the pea nuts. how you got all these fiber optics. a lot and yet we're attacked watching foreigners to our inner cities to come and cities with alcohol. host: you've made a lot of points there. we'll let the professor comment. guest: well, it's painful and deeply moving t

harold, thanks so much for being with us.tive as someone who played the game for so long and as a broadcaster now, a 60-game season, we all want baseball back. how is this going to be different? >> well, everything you just talked about makes it totally different just on the field, i'll start with that first. 60 games. you're usually going down the stretch. by the last 60 games, you've eliminated probably 15 teams or so. now all 30 clubs have a legitimate shot. you get out the gate and you play well, you can sustain that through 60 games. so, i really think it's the first time it could be the most exciting finish in baseball. but the challenge, john, as you just mentioned, it's going to be the testing and guys staying healthy throughout the battle. this pandemic. >> and so you played the game for a long time. you come to the park, you stretch, you throw, you run between the lines, you take batting practice. now you're going to have to take a covid test every other day. if you're not in the game you're going to have to sit in

clifford bryan and harold high's, attorneys for the political brotherhood of engineers. who in that list do you want to comment on? >> that is a stellar list. you have some of the greatest lawyers in a generation. he was also the solicitor general of the united states before this. >> he argued one of our earlier cases. >> yes, and he will argue a big case you will be talking about soon as well, brown. so davis is one of the great lawyers in this generation he is the first name of the famous law firm, davis polk in new york city the steel industry had had multiple lawyers up until this point they were realizing that having multiple lawyers wasn't helping them necessarily. so they get davis to consolidate arguments. he comes in and he is thought to be an excellent advocate for the case. he happens to be the first jewish solicitor of the united states and his acting attorney general at the time. . goldberg has a very short argument. he thought the most baffling case was goldberg's argument, which overshadows him overtime. >> one viewer watching tweeted about john w. davis s

ashley: back to work for harold reynolds. i bet you can't wait.ning us today. much appreciated. >> thanks for having the time. really appreciate it. take care, now. ashley: all right. you, too. play ball. all right. you are taking a live look at the white house. we have been doing this for awhile. we continue to say we are just moments away from president trump's speech. it's at an event called the spirit of america showcase. we are still waiting. of course, we will bring that to you live. looks like they are all set up and ready to go. >>> take a look at this. seattle is more than 44% more expensive to live in than austin, texas. that's a lot. and businesses are taking notice. our next guest is packing up and moving to the lone star state in a move he says will benefit his workers. interesting. more "varney" after this. ♪ was that your grandfather, leading armies to battle? was that your great-aunt, keeping armies alive? drafting the plans. taking the pictures. was it your family members? who flew. who fixed. who fought. who rose to the occasion.

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much of the early history of life in san anselmo was provided by the old stan and elmo harold. when local historians is damaged the papers archive they could only find two mcmansions of the entire 1918 flu pandemic that killed 50 million people worldwide. and nothing about how it affected the town. >> we decided, let's don't have that happen this time, let's get some first-hand stories. >> reporter: this town's historical commission and public library are soliciting from the public photos with a short paragraph, documenting life during the covid-19 pandemic. one shows the deserted downtown during a dog walk, another captures the nightly 8 pm howell in support of healthcare workers. still another shows a virtual group therapy session for young people. librarian linda convinces if this kind of thing was úmake our current struggle a bi easier. >> if we could see that our forefathers and mothers really kind of buckled down and did it and got through it, maybe that would have given us a little more, okay, we can do this, too. >> the pandemic came on quick with no warning and we are

well at the peak of our break of course we had a category 4 tropical cyclone pass through fiji truck harold it was the 3rd cycle on of the season and we know that climate change also impacts on it increases severe weather weather events like tropical cyclones so similarity between a pandemic like cordwood 19 and climate change is that scientists have been warning about this for years we knew that there would be a global pandemic we didn't know when it would come but we were due for one the same thing with climate change and a big issue is that quite often around the world people don't think that something will affect them they see something happening to people in power of countries for example the pacific you get coastal inundation sea level rise increase in severe weather then but we may not look like you we may not sound like you but one day it will affect you it will affect your neighbor picked you directly this is happening has happened in the car in the covered 1000 pandemic where it started in china and now it's everywhere the same thing is happening and will happen with climate chang

mr harold finally it is a different of the understand from 20 years ago when the taliban was in power the people of a kind of stand the youth of all going to stand have very different ideas to what they were 20 years ago how do you envisage in afghanistan if the taliban takes a midge's share of power and control how much freedom will the people the use have in afghanistan. no the amount of an awful to be a good one or was it a mother away. not. going to have the 194101 another modified a new home a. condom i should on the son of god but 190. 9 you not to feel about what you did them aside though to to him not a sudden find out. all of him so when i did what i understand. about you know maybe you. know how do you. they do that it could be much harder for him. to have some do you build a home when i don't you don't you do enough you go to him. be to him what good that he could only what he had up in p.p. . 100. 1 not enough as it would be had to go. home you shall not want to know it or not like it but as you say it when i get a bit almost saddam wanted you to believe in a kind of a tho

wake up everyone by harold melvin and the blue moons.f you have a chance, go to youtube and listen to the entire version. such a great song. send me a song, by the way. use the hashtag #ktvu. in your radio days, come on, you have spun this record many times, haven't you? >> i used to start my radio show with that song. >> thank you, dave. >>> the oakland zoo reopens today, for the first time in more than four months. gas capacity at the zoo is limited to 2500 a day. that is a third of what i would normally be, and, you have to buy tickets in advance. the funding for these who has been trained during the shutdown, and the rivers ticket revenue will not be enough to pay costs. the door of the oakland zoo will open at 9 am. >>> remember, you can join us one week from friday, and we will spend a full hour at the zoo. we can show you how the zoo has been affected by the pandemic and the safety measures in place now that it is reopening, friday, august 7, 9:00 on mornings on fox 2. >>> today, a free new covid-19 testing program setting up shop

special advisor and that of the wainwright is based on marcia williams later lady folk and who is harold's political secretary and who had an extraordinary influence over her wilson and it was very seldom that he wanted to guess or advice. she wasn't really interested in policy she was interested in the mechanics of government. i think that's rather like dominic cummings though he is a bit interested in polls who police mainly interested in. gettig powerful. even more civil servants but it not even those who have been trained in the job so people like him or come in from the outside albeit as a clos dimension presumably we have the creator of downton abbey on this program a while back who is talking about the mocks astelin prints to downton abbey what do you make of the accusations this is an oxbridge class of the special advisors that are influencing democracy here in britain as a humphrey who you know was oxbridge so as bernard woolley. it's changed a bit over the senior civil servants and now not all oxbridge but a lot of them still law and of course our politicians at the moment are do