harold? >> harold: speech and talent.id you do the bird? >> harold: we did the bird and jungle love.>> >> greg: judge? >> judge jeanine: i beat jimmy failla at coney island ato some games.in high school, i won the singer sewing contest. i used to make my own clothes and it was statewide for teenagers and i won.s. >> jesse: they made you make your own clothes back then? ba>> judge jeanine: i wore a uniform. a pattern.a definitely. i used to love clothes as a kid. >>>> harold: used to? [laughter] >> greg: you want to hear a h weird -- i won a bench pressea contest in 1990 in emmaus pennsylvania at a fire hall. half your own weight for the most reps, and i won. : you are thin back g then? >> greg: yesreg:.i thatwa was at the emmaus fireen department on main street. i wonder if anybody is still alive. all right, what is your favorite thing you've bought yourself recently, judge? >> dana: i know. >> judge jeanine: okay, i'll tell you what it was. i bought the greatest wallpaper' for my den.r >> greg:my that's fun. >> dana: col

>> harold: no.re for the stuff, i remember when we were making a transition. remember when we used to get in the car and the seat belt automatically came on and no one wanted to wear the seat belt? not everybody understands the reason behind it. trying to transition to no smoking in public places. i said, i can't imagine states like tennessee and north carolina embracing this, and they made this transition. think about this, we produce more oil in america in 2023 than we ever have, and we've continued to the next several years. the transition is not going to think democrats or republicans or activists who believe we, somehow or another, or going to shun and move away from oil and gas altogether over the next 6-12 months. that's ludicrous. but we should be thinking about how we address some of these issues. one of the things happening in the car business, the cars that sell the most are hybrids today. the ev cars are not selling as much largely because the infrastructure is not there. but when i firs

>> harold: partially. chose those black players, just like those cities have chosen black leaders to represent them as mayors. greg, i believe the governor -- of migrants to martha's vineyard. martha's vineyard. they have a white mayor in martha's vineyard. i believe if abbott had sent them to new york a couple of weeks ago, de blasio would be here. he's pretty white. this has nothing do with race. it has to do with the docking of accountability. the word has gone out on the democrat side that you must blame abbott, you must not blame biden, because if you blame biden, he will indict you like they did to our guy here. >> greg: judge, until these cities abandon their centroid status, they will come off as hypocritical buffoons. they can't admit that the stance was only adopted because they pretty much assumed they would never be called on it. >> jeanine: they did, and in addition to martha's vineyard and denver, you have got chicago, philadelphia, washington, new york city, baltimore -- -- should he not som

harold, do you know why he is called bigfoot? >> harold: i do not. >> greg: he's got big feet.t do you think of dean phillips, anyway? i love screwdrivers. >> harold: if you are going to run against somebody in a primary, especially -- [laughter] especially the president party, i would not be running commercials of bigfoot, i would be contrasting with him. i think it is funny, but you have to be serious if you are running. people run for a lesser office be get a chuckle but the president of your own party, you got to do it. if i were the president, i would go to new hampshire. i can't pay for a day or so, mmake clear to democrats was at stake. kamala harris, it amazes me, dana has talked about this, you can't get the three or four bullet points down. you have to be able to say, our campaign is going to be about touting how we have invested, build innovative things, medicines to chips to cars to ensuring that america is a leader, we are going to make it where every woman does not have to fear health care choices and talking about them, we are going to make sure we cut taxes for

harold ford jr.? >> harold: good to be back arous table.say couple things, i think the judge is right. you can't underestimate this victory last night for former president trump. one, he had an organization on the ground unlike he had 7-8 years ago when he didn't win in iowa.wi this year he had an organization. y they campaigned. he didn't spend as much time as the othe thr candidates, but he had some benefits and advantages they did notates have. two, his speech after winning i thought was remarkable for him. it demonstrated -- i think, judge, your instinct, and others inou the republican party, far e it for mherse to try to give ade to republicans, but as someone who loves the serious business s and washing stomach watching politicians try to perform at their best, i thought him talking in a cordial ia , collegial, and conciliatory way to his opponents,is particularly after he had won a majority of the vote, i thought it was a clear sign that he understands what it means to be a presidential candidate and what it is going tond mean to bri

>> harold: no, no.perspective i know as wellct bu they'reeringing president trump or any president hasre absolute immunity and they were arguing what if a president takes us to war and they had bad information can you prosecute them then? cou of course not. this was different and they wero trying tn o advance that.e i dithd find the argument p the seal team odd but i think the judge was taken it to an extreme to say does immeanity attach there well. >> judge jeanine: i have to say he was found liable or guilty >> harold: forgive me. >> greg: ahead mayor pete praising the faa while the same agency warns parents that babiei can get sucked out of airplanes. ♪ ♪ ♪ directv sports central brings your games stats and scores together and now you can get it without a satellite. one more reason to finally get rid of cable. but getting rid of the cable guy... ...might not be as easy. oh yeah, touchback! visit directv.com for up to $200 reward card. i have lots of monthly subscriptions. streaming, music, news sites

[laughter] wow, harold. what did she do to you? >> harold: i don't recall saying that.'ve never smelled that candle. a >> harold: it must be some candle. a >> greg: day now, it must be good she's lighting something behind a joint. >> dana: she's got a side hustle, it shows how on important the presidency is. it's not like -- you could have a candle called impeach mint. >> greg: meant. give me your two scents. >> judge jeanine: at least she's doing something, i can figure out what she's doing for two or three years. >> greg: she's burning the candle at no ends. >> jesse: your very prepared. a >> greg: i came up with that now, i did! all right, thank you. "one more thing" is up next. ♪ ♪ but getting rid of the cable guy... ...might not be as easy. oh yeah, touchback! visit directv.com for up to $200 reward card. i love your dress. oh thanks! i splurged a little because liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. that's great. i know, right? i've been telling everyone. baby: liberty. did you hear that? ty just said her first word. can you say “mama”? b

. >> greg: it that is absolutely right, harold. >> harold: your honor? hampshire immigration is the number one issue. for the longest time it was about southern the states. new york city, stumbling over people, seeing what is happening up as a result of what is going on on the hotels and streets. new hampshire? tells me that the issue of immigration will not bode well for the biden administration, nor should it, given the fact that they never enforced the law that says that immigration in order to come to this country, you have to pass a certain muster and do it legally. i think today, greg, when people talk about immigration, colloquially we have been led down the path that it is no longer illegal immigration, just immigration. that is a powerful number, even more powerful because it is in new hampshire. >> harold: it is interesting, supreme court, came down in favor of the biden administration texas and what they're doing. hopefully we can get some analysis on that. jesse, i am sorry, whenever you're going to say about me, i am ready. prime time, what

>> harold: i don't. i take polls. when you see a poll, if you don't believe that it may begh right, you havt,e to look at the particulars of it, and i believe it's probably accurate. i do believe that, once you get into a race between trump and biden, maybe the numbers change a bit, but we ignore those numbers at our own peril.wn p we have set on this show many times, if six months from today the economy is better, consumer , anys pa is improving incumbent president would be a much better position as theyhey headed to a general election.a gas prices, i thingek that's a g one, where that is on memorial day will have a big say where is an indicator of what may happen in the election.e but i think it iels shortsighted an is d maybe misguided, and i k president obama has even shared with president biden he's goobaw think about this more seriously and the campaign has got to beli more agile and you have to be more substantive and speak to these voters. this is the right way to loseis these voters.to the correct way to go a

harold do you know why he's called big foot? >> harold: i do not. >> greg: big feet.ou think of dean phillips, i love the screwdrivers >> harold: you think if you're going to run against especially in the primaries, especially the president in your own party i wouldn't be running commercials with big foot i would be contrasting myself with him, whatever -- i think we've run for office you'd get a chuckle but in your own party as the president you have to do that. if i were the president i would go to new hampshire and campaign for a day or so and make sure to democrats clear what's at steak. two with kamala harris it it amazes me and dana talked, you can't get the three or four bullet point down. our campaign is going to be about touting how we've invested more of them to build innovative things from medicine to chips top cars to ensuring america's a leader. we're going to have to make sure every man woman and doctor doesn't have to fear healthcare choices and cut it for those earning less than. these are basic. i don't know how you're not able to articulate and ramp

[laughter] >> harold? >> harold: my mother captured a very sweet moment involving a firefighter and her son. firefighter were giving out hats in this alabama town. fire hats and firefighter recognized that this young man's hair that he couldn't put the hat on so he -- he cut it out so her son could be able to wear the hat and be with his friends. i love problem solvers and that guy a problem solver. government bless you. >> judge jeanine: all right. that's it for us. everybody. have great night. we will see you on monday at 5:00. >> bret: hey, judge, is everything okay with jesse? does he need quiet time with his wife? >> judge jeanine: when he started talking about the doctor and his hands i said there is a problem at this table. >> bret: all right. all right. you guys have a good weekend. thank you. good evening. i'm bret baier. we are just a weekend away from the first voting in the 2024 presidential election cycle. we will check in on iowa ahead of monday's caucuses. and we'll speak with iowa senator j

harold ford jr. >> good to be around this table. the judge is right.underestimate this victory last night for former president trump. two things. he had an organization underground unlike he had seven and eight years ago when he did not win in iowa. this year he had an organization. the campaign. it did not spend as much time as the other two candidates, but some benefits and advantages is that they did not have. his speech after winning was remarkable for him. demonstrated -- a judge, your instinct, others an art party to try to give advice to republicans, but someone who loves serious business of politics and watching politicians try to perform at their best, and him talking in a cordial and collegial conciliatory weight to his opponents, particularly after you had won a majority of the votes was a clear sign that he understands web means to be presidential candidate and what it is going to mean to bring the party together, bring independence his way. three, desantis and haley. desantis had no mcnabb and his nature to his speech. he acted as if he wo

harold..mo you they're both sidess are are supposed to learn from it. >> you only thinsutok one sideol learn from it. >> i would. i say nobody learn it except isn that this is an awesome jacket. >> oh, yeah. everybod ay. ng lik it surprised that, you know, it doesn't have doordash does e have something, like tipin per in person. >> you know, where you can do that. would th, you would think that they would do that. but, you know, the whole concept that you look at, i touch your food, you know, because i didn't get a tip in. most people did after the service. k whole thinghin kind of scares me. >> that's why i tip heavy. i've me you. i ask for extra spit. >> oh, you stay in the judge tips and cash to read mail. >> friday is up next. oh, baby you don't do. oh, never. >> superman. a is the number one selling brand for men's, and health. and for the third year in a row, it's the number one urologist recommended. in time, you'll notice less urges to , improved emptying, and you won't be getting up

harold? >> harold: so, i don't disagree with anything that ari or katy has said. out and she decides not run, she can be in this race. i think two things i would look at here. and i think questions that the republican party is probably asking themselves. one, is if she stays longer and her attacks continue to be as pointed and specific as they are about her doubts about president trump's ability to be president again, how much does that hurt him as we head into what will be the longest presidential race ever between two general election candidates? and, two, when you consider that president trump -- it hadn't happened in almost 100 years. he lost all three, the house, the senate and the presidency all in a single term. that has to be weighing on the minds of some republicans. and certainly what is making some democrats even with president biden's weaknesses believe they have strength and advantage heading into this election as we get to november. >> bret: harold, most importantly, in the past few minutes, espn is reporting that jim harbaugh leaving michigan to acc

greg: speaking of wallpaper, what about you, harold?ng for me. jack i can wear with my jeans. it is light. i like the jacket. greg: what about you? jesse: i bought a range rover for jesse junior. it is in ev. i don't know. i don't know if i can pull that off. greg: dana? dana: i got an almond milk steamer. i love it. it is so great. so good. i don't have too. to. it does it for me. jesse: i got this new piercing. what do we have next? ♪ y thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. salonpas, makers of powerful pain relief patches for 89 years... believes in continuous improvement... like rounded corners that resist peeling, with an array of active ingredients... and sizes to relieve your pain. salonpas. it's good medicine. men tell us when they use just for men® to eliminate gray, there's a great "before and after". then, there's the 'after the after' that boost you get when you look and feel your best. and that's why more men choose just for

speaking lot o of wallpaper, what about you, harold? spring to mindg whenever i think about wallpaper. ou >> i don't. i don't know, but i've. i bought myself a ne f a new w rainfor me. jacket. >> it just. it's. it's exciting for me. it's not it not. >> it's not a jacket. so, jack, i can wear my jeans and it's light any way. >> i like the jacket. what about you? whai a range rover did you do r jesse jr?ange rover did you do r >> it's this little car. >> he plays with it all the time. is it? if it's any of you're thinking about an of range rover. >> but they don't need the. i don't know if i can pull offll the lot. dana i got a milk and almond milk steamer and rather oh my goodness i love that stuff. >> it's so great. it's so. no, no, i don't have to. it it for me. >> amazing. let me know where you got that. on. >> so i got you guys.g: i got. i got this i new piercin gotneg. >> so start your day with nature. meet the number one pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. wow. yeah. this i do. and i do that. you do this every day.

harold? >> speech and talent.o firnish first. >> did you do the bird? ♪ >> judge pirro: i pete jimmy -- at coney island. more importantly when i was in high school i won the singer sewing contest. i used to make my own clothes and it was statewide for teenagers and i won. coats. >> you made your own clothes back then? >> judge pirro: i wore a uniform. a pattern. i used to love clothes as a kid. >> used to? [laughter] >> you want to hear a weird one? i won a bench press contest in 1990 in pennsylvania at a fire hall. bench press half your weight, half your own weight for the most reps and i won. >> you were thin back then? >> greg: yes, i was thin. the fire department on main street in emmaus, pennsylvania. i wonder if anybody is still live. what's your favorite thing you've bought yourself recently, judge? >> i know. >> judge pirro: okay. i'll tell you what it was. i bought the greatest wallpaper for my den. >> color? >> judge pirro: it's like a weave and a lot of colors. >> greg: how about you? >> i spring alive

break it down with sunday group, congressman harold ford, anchor of special report, bret baier, anchorxecutive editor of the story on fox news channel martha maccallum and brit hume, we have the a list this morning. brit, you were out and got to have a chat with former president trump, we want to play what you talked about many issues, but this is about the vp stakes. >> bret: you said you had an idea or might have decided about your vp pick, when do you think you will make that? >> it is never really had that much effect on an election, which is amazing, both election and primary, never had much effect. i may release something over next couple months, it won't impact. the person i think i like is a very good person, pretty standard, people won't be that surprised, but probably 25% chance to be that person. >> bret: is senator tim scott on that list? >> he endorsed me, tim scott is from south carolina, great governor, another senator, we like lindsey graham, but henry mcmaster knows her well and endorsed me. hard for a governor to endorse somebody. henry mcmaster was lieutenant governo

dana did such an amazing job but harold. >> dana: harold really rose to the occasion >> jessica: he wantedit he wanted me to move that plane. he was so into it. >> judge jeanine: yeah. >> jesse: i could not believe how much gus looks like greg. >> yes! >> jesse: scary >> jessica: it's like a thing. >> jesse: it is a thing. >> judge jeanine: rookie looks just reich you. >> jesse: no he doesn't. >> judge jeanine: he does, too. >> jesse: he does sglot what does he look like? he doesn't look like emma. >> jesse: does everybody -- thank you. >> tyrus: i'm on record, mark the date. >> jessica: but that little doodle, doodles are the cutest little things. >> judge jeanine: i have a dudele and he's not cute at all. he's a monster. >> tyrus: the guy who represented labradoodles said it was one of the biggest regret of his life. >> judge jeanine: i have a bernadoodle. >> tyrus: he's anti doodle now he brought them in the world and he says he wished he hadn't. >> judge jeanine: so get a poodle if you have allergies. straight ahead where was the teen-age hank out place in our home towns? that and more

. >> harold rose to the occasion. >> h>> je was so into it he wan me to move that plane.not believe how much gus looks like greg. scary. >> it's like a thing. >>y it is a thing. >> cuter than rookie. >> thank you. >> it's on record. mark the date. >> do it all. doodle. >> i havcue a doodle. it's not cute. >> guy who invented labra doodle is anti-doodle now. they originally were brought in to help people who had he allergies. >> so good a poodle if you have allergies. >> straight ahead where was a teenage hang out place in our hometeen towns? that and more of your fan mail questions when "the five" continues. continues. ♪ push ♪ it's two things a young man want to be, a cowboy or a gangster. and a gangster's out of style. i got back to my roots. we come from a long line of cowboys. my grandfather, my great-grandfather, my aunt even rode horses. when i see all of us out here on this ranch i see how far our legacy can go. now on sale at ancestry. biovanta is the only number one physician-recommended product chosen over all others, including tylenol, mucinex, zicam, and nyqui

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the fact of the matter is that harold died.d nixon was a junior in re's what richard nixon said. these historians. you know, these psycho historians are psychos. atthem them. we were all rooting for harold, and we would have done anything, any of us, for him, just as he would have done for us. furthermore, when richard nixon graduated from duke law school, he turned down in new york city law firm so that he can return home and establish himself in his hometown and eventually run for office. and this was the exact advice that was given to him by the dean of duke school. and richard nixon followed it to achieve when he completed his service in world war two. he was so successful at terminating those war contracts in new york. he could have written his own ticket. he could have stayed there in practice law. he returned toan and, run for office. richard nixon had hustle. he chose to take jerry nixon first met jerry voorhees in the summer of 1936, when voorhees was running for congress the first time, richard nixon was so impressed

harold, do you have a great one more thing for us tonight?f alabama sophomore won the 2024 american express championship over the weekend. he was not able to sex the $1.5 million price because he is a an amateur. >> greg: is he a dude. >> dana: why do we have shah shot when he didn't make it? >> harold: i didn't put that together. >> judge jeanine: where does the money go? >> dana: who can we blame? >> dana: i'm going to blame greg because it's fun. that's it for everybody. have a great night. see you tomorrow. >> bret: if somebody in new hampshire wanted to write in gutfeld's name do they add the expon

things. >> bill: to harold's point. the day-to-day tracking number from suffolk university, "boston globe" and nbc10 out of boston. trump at 52. up two points. haley is down a point at 35. >> if you are nikki haley you are hoping for a polling error. we haven't seen one so far in the cycle. polls have closely mirrored the results, at least in iowa. to harold's point nikki haley hoped for a better performance in iowa, didn't get it. we saw pronounced drop in turnout across the board in the state. really pronounced in suburban places like dallas county and other urban counties. i don't know if it's because of the weather or the contest wasn't that tight. maybe it's because of the fact that suburban aren't turning out for republicans in a way they had been a decade ago. they used to count on suburban voters, pretty well educated, that was the bread and butter. now they have a different theory of the case. the theory of the case is donald trump can remake the electorate and energize parts of the electorate, special election

actually in the independent state of croatia, he sent his report to mister harold glass, the director of mandatory was sent out to the us treasury building in washington dc . yeah, it's the full secret content there. harold, the following report has recently been received from a reliable source in italy. it is sent to you in the belief that it may be of interest. vios to show organization crow sions, fascist organization headed by hand type avalanche removed funds from yugoslavia. estimated to total $350000000.00 swiss francs. the funds were launched in the form of gold coins from the funds broad from the form i independent crow at state where jews and serves with plundered to us upon the most to show organization and fix. i owe an estimated 150000000 swiss francs were in pounded by british facilities that the strows with frontier the balance of approximately 200000000 swiss francs was originally held in the vatican for safe keeping. and according to a ruler, a considerable portion of this later amount has been sent to spain and argentina through the vatican's pipeline. but it is quit

harold. mr harold butler, grant. harold. mr harold , thank you for joining butler, grant. harold. forjoining me. um, , thank you for joining me. um, do you think the royal family are entitled to any privacy ? are entitled to any privacy? >> good evening. thank you. for me on. it's a difficult one, isn't it, jacob? because with the royal family to an extent, they won't always have privacy, which most people want the privacy. but at the other side of the argument, of course, is we all pay something towards having the royal family and people. i've seen comments on social over recent years social media over recent years where that they're where people feel that they're entitled to kind of know everything that's going on, and this has been a classic example of happened with of what happened yesterday with the to the prince of wales going to hospital, getting that statement, obviously giving hospital, getting that stateme but obviously giving hospital, getting that stateme but making ously giving hospital, getting that statemebut making usly giving hospital, getting that statemebut maki

i can put a funnel on harold's head.ng a stand up thing because you know, it's the joke. i put things i think about relationships and religion and god and birds. >> stephen: relationship, religion, god and birds. that's a nice combo actually. >> steven: in that order. had a relationship with his grandfather and his grandfather would tell him philosophical things like the president is the past factory. you tell him jesus loves -- >> stephen: the present is a past factory. 11. >> steven: jesus loves you because he doesn't know you. [laughter] >> stephen: [laughs] [coughing] >> steven: he points out that your teeth are the only part of your skull that you can see while you're still alive. your teeth are like a preview of your skeleton. for instance, you probably will have a great set of teeth, you have a great skeleton. you probably get that all the time. >> stephen: a lot of people say "i would love to see you >> steven: did the audiobook too. >> steven: yes, book on tape. they had me read it and i read it. it's the only t

yeah, it's the full secret content there. harold, the following report has recently been received from a reliable source in italy. it is sent to you in the belief that it may be of interest videos to show organization crow sions, fascist organization headed to buy and type avalanche removed funds from yugoslavia estimated to total 350000000 swiss francs. the funds were launched in the form of gold coins above the funds rode from the form of independent crow at state where jews and serves were plundered to us upon the booster. she'll organization and pixel an estimated 150000000 swiss francs were impounded by british most of our days. but the strows with frontier the balance of approximately 200000000 swiss francs was originally held in the vatican for safe keeping. and according to a ruler, a considerable portion of this later amount has been sent to spain and argentina through the vatican's pipeline. but it is quite possible that this is merely the smoke screen to cover the fact that the treasure remains in its original repository . sincerely yours, emerson, bigelow, famous journalist

harold made good points in the case of the company i work with. we are all the way down to places like fairfield, iowa. in the situation have a total of two people at that operation and neither of them have technical background so that case we are dealing with a situation where there is a contract engineer and the contract engineer has expert operation. this would not be what we call strong suit so to do things we are talking about are talking about bringing in someone completely outside of our normal sphere of operation to put things in place. top. it like technical background in an operational stand in these small broadcast environments. there has got to be some comfort so they can understand the requirements and why it is a benefit to them and probably differentiates from the folks participating in this conversation because in most instances when we talk about commercial service providers and the like we got both keyed, and they put the hierarchy there, aware of what the situation is and how to address it. in our case we have a department, we d