harold brown from minneapolis minnesota whose father also fought in world war i. would you give us a brief history of some of your events that took place? >> certainly. i was born and raised in minneapolis minnesota and when i was in the sixth grade, 11 years old, i woke up one morning and guess what? i was going to become a military fighter pilot. well, at the mention of that, my mother who looked at me, isn't it strange how your mother can look at you and say he has all this wonderful pallet but i have no talent whatsoever. but they can see things that no one else could see. so, i sat on the piano stool for the first 10 years of my life for so and then in the sixth grade at 11 years old i decided i'm going to become a military pilot. don't ask me why, don't ask me how, i don't remember seeing a movie about it, but one morning i woke up and i was bitten. from that point on it was model airplanes and every book i can fly. i can remember one book in particular. west point of the air, and i bet i read that book so many times i almost had it memorized. so, when i was

next to him lieutenant colonel harold brown. lieutenant colonel george hardy. lieutenant colonel alexander jefferson. lieutenant colonel james h. harvey iii. and our closer, lieutenant colonel harry stewart. let's first begin with lieutenant colonel robert friend. he was born in columbia, south carolina. his father thought in world war i. so what we'll do is colonel friend, sir, we'll yield the floor to you and then we'll ask our friends in the audience to give you questions. so let's have a round of applause for our first panelist. [ applause ] mr. friend. so colonel friend, just give us just some brief history about you and your accounts in the military and then we'll -- >> well, i was always interested in flying. and no chances were offered me. for instance, i had a pilot's license in the late '30s because i was a part of a program the united states was doing in defense -- potential defense of itself. and i was to train people to fly airplanes as they were doing in europe. and so when it was time to go to tuskegee i was more than prepared. and i enjoyed it v

brown university. he said this, and i want you both to deal with this. "john adams was a realist. wered not believe all men created equal. didn't believe in american exceptionalism." harold believed in english exceptionalism. that was one of the problems. i think he believed in a certain england,stem out of but i think he bought into the founding principles. with respect to gordon wood, it might be an oversimplification. amity: i am also a fan of john quincy adams. i wonder how he does here. the authorote from of a book on mckinley. "he was maybe one of the finest human beings who ever made it to the white house." harold: i'm very persuaded by a recent interview you did with richard norton smith, who was featured in the book, in which he made a very good case that mckinley deserves higher recognition. maybe thery popular, war he led was a little bit contrived, but he was humane. he was lovely toward his wife, who was ill, which counts for something. that sounds right. amity: that is an excellent book. i recommend it. the question, one of the big questions is the tariff. the republicans are the tariff party, the democrats are the income tax party, even before the income t