grandparents, judith and harold harper were waving good-bye to their carefree golden years. again. >> i agreed from the first day that i would take care of her, not knowing what kind of shape she was going to be in, not knowing what mental state she would be in. >> erica's father had never been a big part of her life. so, a court granted judith and harold full custody of erica and her baby sister. >> you worked your whole life. >> yeah. >> this is supposed to be your time. >> yeah. >> to kick back and put your feet up. that's not for you? >> that doesn't bother me for a bit. i admit me and my husband are a bit different. >> it didn't turn out exactly how i thought it was because -- well, you know the reason, the children and stuff. >> four years before the shootings herald had retired from his long time meat packing job expecting to ride his harley into the sunset. >> i had a california trip. i've been into canada, most everywhere. well, that had to stop. >> he knows that i couldn't maintain these children without him. >> i don't want her to. and i love those little kids. >>