i got involved in a lot of deals and things because harold jeannine was a c.e.o. who who bought 50 companies. >> rose: it was his business. >> that's right. but... and i think another thing is i'm jewish and i'm a refugee. which is not inconsequential if you're trying to chart a course in a difficult world. >> rose: but explain why. >> well, i'll give you an example. i went to middlebury college after i got out of the army and i was in a fraternity and that fraternity did not allow jews or blacks to be members. and one day we were in the fraternity house drinking beer or whatever with one of my... one of the other members of this group. >> rose: one of your frat brothers. >> who was black. that's right. when we got the visit of a gentleman who worked for one of the railroads or something. and he came down to tell us that people of our background were not welcome in this fraternity house. and we should leave but that he was very considerate and had a case of beer that he was going to give us. so that i was sitting with two of my fraternity brothers who were both ve