harold zamon. massimiliano can probably speak about it better than i but it's a show that was so strong and so important in people's memory that they have recreated that show in and of itself in the exhibition and harold zamon is in some ways -- he was the first creator, if you will, of independent curating and really i think he started the -- is that correct? >> rose: is art an international language? >> well, there is -- >> rose: the way music is? >> yes and no, it is an international language and an event like that venice biennale define grammar of the moment but i think it's also a practice in which we learn to co-exist with difference and diversity and, in fact, again, the venice biennale because of the pavilions don't offer a flat picture of the world. what i love about the venice biennale as a viewer-- and i've been going there since i was 19, since 1993, is that you -- >> rose: a couple years ago was it? >> (laughs) a little longer. but in idea that you go into an exhibition to see differen