joining us now is director of development haroun mogul.r extremist and now an operative. mubine, i want to start with you. it's always fascinating to talk to you. you were a jihadist once and after 9/11 you had a crisis of conscience and you changed your entire philosophy and you, in fact, began working with canadian counter terrorism officials. you helped foil terror plots and you continue to do that now. you try to re-educate people who may be geared towards extremism or jihad. how does this travel ban affect your mission? >> yeah, well, i see it from two perspectives. one is the ex-extremist perspective. i was a trainer for a coalition psychological operations, individuals who are in theater, on the ground in anti-isis messaging basically. i was to role play isis. so when everyone tells you that the recruiting bonanza that we have given isis is real, it's very real. it's making it very difficult for people like myself who are on the operational or practitioner's side to combat the isis narrative. >> how? >> which is look, they hate you