that's why i mentioned harper lee in there. you want to talk about the southern strategy. >> just like "to kill a mockingbird" where the white woman claimed she had been molested by this totally innocent black guy. >> right. >> and she was believed for no reason except she said so. >> right. look, and please let me be really, really clear. i'm not saying sarah palin did that. i'm just saying there's a subliminal level of communication that goes on. the southern strategy has always been, since they stopped using the "n" word and being explicit what they're trying to do with race and creating this us versus them dynamic it, became increasingly vague through the years. you started talking about state's rights at a certain point, then you starred talking about these wedge issues like gay marriage and on and on. but ultimately, it's always about an us and them dynamic. >> right. >> and sarah palin's very good at that and when she plays her populist role, there's no one better at it. >> among henry louis gates, the birther movement,