. >> at harpercollins, echo in partnership, created a publishing diverse city, at columbia publishing, that is still a smaller organization than the one you are talking about. it segues nicely to the bounty of jobs in publishing that we don't necessarily all know are there without education in the field, writers and editors, you want to talk about that? >> somebody told me, and it is a complicated industry and i am still learning, i didn't start working at literary magazines until i was 33 so i came from outside the industry though i had been within it since then and it was a real education in all the things no one has told me. we have to think about diversifying the industry with decision-makers, executives, publishers and editors and marketing folks, and design, legal, hr and all the things that go and fail. and it has a title as an author, this person made this book and takes an enormous team to make a lot of these books, if you don't have diversity at every level you don't have the checks and balances that prevent this from happening or diverse city of information where there are