i worked at miss winfrey's company, harpo films, and then "watching god." years later i made lie budget, $13,000 independent film. and it kind of got me put on. you know, at caa, plan b, saw the film. i tried to work on a few things that didn't work out. six years after the first film, i wrote this. and i've worked at this film festival in telluride called the telluride film festival. been there since 2002. i used to make popcorn, an usher, cleaned toilets, did everything. grew up there as a kid. by 2013, at that point, i'm introducing films and programming short films. i write the screenplay and come back, i twloet in brussels, bell -- i wrote this in brussels, belgium. there's a little movie "12 years a slave" that premiered in telluri telluride. i come off the stage, they're like, barry jenkins, we know who you are. what are you up to? and i said, i directed this and three years later we have "moonlight" and have nominations -- i speed read that. >> you didn't have to go that far, but i'm glad you laid it out. i ask because it's not just instructive and