there's an apock create fall story that lincoln met harriet beecher stowe and said this is the little lady who started this great war. whether he said it or not, you know, it's meaningful. kansas, the war in kansas, the kansas/nebraska act of -- you had a civil war, you had murder going on. people of kansas and missouri were murdering each other over slavery. if you think we're living through tough times now, i mean, nothing compared -- i mean, you had bands of guerrilla fighters including john brown. and john brown, who's insane, but not insane enough to commit murder, gets together with his crazy family and a bunch of other anti-slavery nut cases, and they're out there with a guerrilla army in kansas murdering people for no reason other than they are pro-slavery or that they owned slaves. murdering people. his most vicious act, the massacre at potowatomie, i don't know if i pronounced that right, creek in 1856 with four of his sons and three other men, they abducted five men -- i don't even think they were slave owners -- and got a broad sword and cut, you know, cut their skulls in