we talk about our greatest president, in if my view abraham lincoln, when he meets harriet beecher stowe, lincoln was 6-6, something like that. 6-3. and harriet beecher stowe was barely five feet tall. lincoln looked down and said you're the little lady started the big war. the polarization grows. zachary taylor might have pulled it off. might have pulled it off. had more union states come in, they might have been able to abolish slavery constitutionally with a constitutional amendment. more states, more legislatures, okay? and history may have been a lot different, i argue. >> host: along with kennedy, truman, mckinley, taylor all ranked above coolidge is one other gentleman. he's the gentleman here with the pin on the front of your book. [laughter] >> guest: that was the publisher's idea. >> host: u.s. grant. >> guest: yes. >> host: why -- >> guest: well, let's talk about him too. here's a gentleman who had a larger funeral than abraham lincoln had. the american people adored him. the historians department like him. the american people adored him. they trusted him. two elections after