and the underground railroad represented harriett tubman and harriett tubman was given tremendous praise for being that pioneer who basically lived her life to free the slaves. what is also overlooked is that those free houses that those people put up for the slaves to stay at and to hide them and to get them up to the north and get them to canada were regular people. regular people. nothing special. but the commonality was that they were good human beings. when we talk, the three of us, i want to emphasize this, we always talk about the category of good human beings before we talk about white, black, whatever. >> right. >> and that becomes important in being a man because if i have the charity in my soul or the wisdom to recognize the goodness in people, then i'm a man. a man of god. a man of trying to do the right thing. therefore, nothing you can do or say to me will change my attitude about my manhood. and over the years, the biggest problem that we've had in this country is whenever you stand up for the right thing, even though it's for the overall populous, people take the attitude