we came in with a sound bite of kamala harriss the ability to win to go toe-to-toe with president obamaident trump. do you agree with that assessment and is ford right? is it really maybe about warren and biden so far being able to go toe-to-toe in a general election? >> first, ford, i'm not crazy or craziest, i want to be clear on that. actually she is right. the polls even show that. democrats number one above any issue want to make trump a one term president. that is why biden continues to hold his place even if he is not winning in iowa. i think he most likely will be the no nominee. he will be somebody that al peals to michigan, wisconsin -- charles: mayor pete, you're not sold on him just yet? >> no. i think we talked about it off air. i don't feel people look at him, not just the fact he is not doing well with african-americans. when you look at numbers. if you can't do well as a mayor in your city. i do think the lack of experience will play in. a president with no political experience. we've seen historically elections are cyclical. a lot of people want people with experience n