. >> and harry a. >> herman. >> causes a. >> kara dublin was, like, i'm not feeling well. we don't know if she was actually not feeling well. it was not a very well thought out arguably but a passionate one driven by a deep sense of justice, right? so, that's where i started in west virginia. partially because everybody was, like, you are going to west virginia by yourself? like black lady, you should be afraid, right? and so, you know, but i went. and we had this conversation. i called him bob, in the book, that's not his name. but it was so interesting but caused part of me was like i'm not going to confront him about being a confederate reenactor. and i have been socialized as i'm born in alabama, socialized as a southern black woman and girl, that you don't start this stuff, right? because it can explode. but i was fascinated, and he was, and i realized we are so similar. because he is the passion is to live inside history as it is mine and yet i couldn't figure out why he wanted to live inside that part of history and. >> you couldn't ask him. >> and i couldn't ask hi