he had harry byrd whether he wanted or not. they realized that he wanted the budget under $100 billion. johnson gives him that. c-span: robert caro is our guest, this is his fourth book, lyndon johnson and the passage of power. thank you for joining us. >> for a dvd copy, call 1(877)662-7726. >> transcripts are also available. bioko that he was going to die young. he didn't have that much time. >> host: c-span: how often were you in the same room? >> guest: the only time i was in his presence was 1964. as a substitute reporter for the regular political reporter. so i covered three days of this campaign. he went to new england, but he wants actually shook my hand, but i was never close at hand. i just followed him around. c-span: can you run to the first instance, the first moment with a flash to me that you wanted to study the power of lyndon johnson? >> guest: well, not the moment, i don't believe my book, i never think of them as biographies. i never had the slightest interest, brian and writing a book to write the life of th