here,is harry byrd over civil rights, oliver hill, and barbara jones. ashley: we are talking about kind of these statues and these monuments, there is a lot of statues. mayor stoney: there are, there are. want to go to monument avenue? ashley: yeah, let's go to monument avenue. mayor stoney: even when i came here back in 2004, richmond was like on that upward trajectory but oh man, it was still much to be desired. and in the 1990's, a lot of this was basically abandoned. and then when people come back now, what were -- i think what we're experiencing is that there are folks who began their lives here, who went off to college and other places, had jobs in other cities like new york and san francisco and washington, and they come back because richmond's cool again. ashley: ok what turned that , tide? what made it cool again? when did people start coming back? i am seeing all kinds of artsy things, great murals and businesses. what made the change? mayor stoney: i think the change -- i was trying to explain it to someone the other day. vcu grew some of the