him and asks him to come down to the white house for some meeting in the cabinet and doesn't tell harry byrd the television cameras will be there. and with the cameras running, he turns to harry and says, this is my version. is not exactly right, so when the bill comes over from the house, is there any reason you cannot start the hearings right away? and harry says, flustered, not that i know of. and lyndon says he will have the hearings right away? and they will be expeditious hearings? and harry says yes in front of the television cameras. because he is so fond of lyndon johnson reporters ask him what he thinks about it and he says if i had known i was going to be on television i would have want to better suit. [laughter] and he holds the hearings. and johnson's relations with harry are probably summed up by what happens the very next year when harry burns wife dies. johnson goes to the funeral and after the funeral harry's car is driving away, the president of the united states, lyndon johnson, bends over and kisses the old man's hand. we are talking about a politician who is not afraid t

we've seen that throughout history and a number of states, shelby, jeffords, harry byrd in virginia,pecter once considered it and ended up switching from republican to democrat instead. i think now that she's an established figure voters know who she is in her state. i believe she believes that the best thing in her heart and that is to represent her state as opposed to a political party. alicia: with arizona being a difficult battleground state what is the democrats next move in arizona because they have the option of putting someone out there on the democratic ticket but for sure would dilute the boat for them and for her seat that would be handed over to republicans. this is a really tough moment for democrats right now, a lot of soul-searching. >> it really is it reminds us what happened in utah the last cycle where democrats went all in for an independent voter to face income the republican leader mike lee. democrats and have the same problem going into 2024 if sinema and deeds decide to run because they're going to look at it and say this is going to split the vote all over the