it is so good to see you, harry dunn. i want to give you an opportunity to reflect on today and also on the fact that you already got people who are behind bars for that attack, looking for pardons, including henrique tarrio, the head of the proud boys, and others. what do you make of today and these requests for pardon? >> joy, good to be with you. happy new year. this is four years in the making. this isn't anything new to us, although this one feels a little bit different because the person who was responsible for january 6th, 2021, is going back to the white house. it seems from the footage today on the house floor, there was jubilation, there were people taking selfies with j.d. vance. there was a lot of fist pumping. there was a lot of celebration. contrast that with four years ago. people were hiding under chairs, with gas mask on. they were cowering, republicans and democrats, and rightfully so. so just this year contrast of what it was four years ago and also i've got to acknowledge, everybody says that number, 1

about harry dunn in that article.mber to prominently condemn the brazen uprising, testified about our criminal hand to hand fighting against improvised weaponry like flagpoles, middle bike racks and projectiles, officers blinding and coughing from bear spray. harry, who was called racial slurs, has since retired his blue uniform. and joining us now, former capitol police sergeant aquilino gonell and capitol police officer harry dunn. i have to say it is really an honor to have both of you here and sergeant cannell, as you said, january 6 never ends for you. >> yeah. thanks for having me. look, at the end of the day we are still feeling the ramifications of that horrible day, not only myself but my colleagues as well. and whether donald trump pardons these individuals or not, history will be the judge of that. but i do want people to realize and remember the findings of the officers who died as a result of the january 6th insurrection. and that's what really needs to be remembered. now the victims are heroes, they want

joining us now is former capitol police sergeant go now and harry dunn. here. and as you have said, january 6 never ends for you. >> thank you for having me. the other day, we are still feeling the ramifications of that horrible day, not only for myself but my colleagues as well. and if donald trump does part of these individuals or not, he will be the judge of that. but i do want people to realize and remember the names of the officers that died as a result of the january 6 insurrection. that is what really needs to be remembered. not the heroes as they want to call themselves, because there was nothing to be proud of on that day. other than the valiant effort of those officers who defended the capitol and our democracy. >> harry dunn, i know when both of you speak about this, you are usually talking about what happened to other officers. you always like to direct the attention, quite understandably, to your colleagues. but tell us about the racial component of what you encountered there. >> thank you for having me. i don't believe that january 6 was som

i want to bring in someone who was at the capitol on january 6th, retired officer harry dunn. thank you for being here. so first of all, when you hear people doing this revisionist hestory, donald trump calling it a day of love, congressman from georgia saying it was just a bunch of grandmas taking a tour of the capitol, obviously, it is not true. what goes through your mind? >> that is not all that it was. there were some grandmas walking through the crowd. >> sure. >> those are not the people sitting in prison right now. those are the people that got a fine, probation. they are not hostages or prisoners sitting in the d.c. jail. those people that are in jail, like paula said about enrique tarrio, the organizer, leaders, people who committed the most violence towards police officers. they attacked police officers, savagely beat them. those are the people in jail. putting them back on the street, they were there on january 6th because trump motivated them to be there, arguably the most powerful person in the world said go to the capitol and they will do it. if he pardons them,

democrat of colorado, who co-managed trumps second impeachment and former capitol police officer, harry dunn, who defended the capitol on january 6th. starting with you, congresswoman, tomorrow, congress was heard of by the election, the 2024 election results. and the presidential, of course, certification of the presidential election of exactly 4 years after the january's next insurrection, which then led to president- elect donald trump's second impeachment, that you co- managed. trump has said on the campaign trail and social media that one of the first acts of his max second term would be to free hundreds of rioters convict did for that attack. what would be the impact of that? >> well, thank you for having me on and, harry, thank you for defending me when i was in the gallery years ago in the capital. those insurrectionists, they were trying to do something that has never been done, which is reversed the results of an collection. over 1000 of them have and tried by a jury of their peers and convicted and sentenced. it is simply against the rule of law and un-american that those people w

if it's any consolation, i'm 5'11" and even i look up to harry dunn. he's so tall. but this idea of betrayal is something that keeps coming up in conversations with some of the police officers and law enforcement officials who risked their lives on january 6th, 2021, during that attack, to protect the democratic process that makes our country really what it is. this idea of pardoning 1,600 january 6th defendants is also something that some of those involved with defending the capitol on that day are feeling really betrayed by. donald trump spent the last four years essentially rewriting the history of january 6th, and by all accounts, he has really sort of been pretty convincing with all of his supporters, hosting john eastman and a handful of the chief architects, people who created the plan to try to stop the electoral certification at mar-a-lago over the weekend and praising them for their efforts and continuing to propagate falsehoods and criticisms of mike pence for failing to follow through with that certification. but our colleague, spencer hugh, he had an in

harry dunn has left the force.s have you faced as a result of quite literally speaking truth to power? >> look, next week i will be in court for one of the loving people, as he says, that loving day, that day full of love. that almost cost me my life because that day, according to him, since it was full of love, they almost -- me to death. and part of the consequences, i lost my health. i lost my financial stability. to the point that i endure serious injury to my body and to my mental health. and i apply for some benefits. those benefits through the department of justice to this day, four years later, have not been approved. and as a matter of fact, they were denied. and i aset up an appeal in the meantime, a friend set up a gofundme to help me continue my life and support myself and my family. but with this short amount of time, the window that we have before the trump administration takes over, doesn't give me a lot of confidence that that will be resolved. and if it is not resolved before then, there is no guar

i wrote a sketch called "snack time with harry dunn." >> jimmy: yes! ] >> jimmy: i mean that makes no sense, that's why it's so good. >> so i write it and i play both parts, and it's fun. i have a good time. >> jimmy: can you believe it has been 30 years since you played harry in "dumb and dumber"? [ cheers and applause ] >> yeah. >> jimmy: i mean, talk about -- you've done everything. "terms of endearment" to "dumb and dumber." [ laughter ] i mean, oh, my god, that's a a career. if the farrelly brothers asked you to do a "dumb and dumber 3" would you do it? >> jim and the farrelly brothers are great people to be with. i'd be there on monday. >> jimmy: yeah. that's what i'm talking about. [ cheers and applause ] you're a big detroit lions fan. >> i am. >> jimmy: you are a big detroit -- and you're looking pretty good this season. >> uh, we're -- yeah. >> jimmy: yeah. >> after decades of darkness, here we are. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: well, let's talk about this. because there's a thing called the curse, right? there's the curse of bobby layne. >> bobby l

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former capitol police officer harry dunn is here. e come to know harry as not only one of the brave officers who protected the country and everyone in the capitol four years ago and also a friend of this broadcast. also joining us, democratic congressman of california raul garcia is here and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill joins us and with us at the table for the whole hour, former lead investigator for the january 6th select committee is here and the author of a must read, the first must read of 2025 "harbingers" what it reveals about american democracy. harry dunn, i start with you. how are you doing, my friend? >> good afternoon, everybody. hello, nicole. i'm all right, i guess. making the rounds what i've been doing for the last four years, making sure people, one, people don't forget this day and two, we don't allow the people on the right, the maga extremists to whitewash this day and downplay what happened that day. i really, it was the first time i saw that quote from the chief of -- my former chief. i'm really glad

harry dunn, who served as a capitol police officer that day, joins us now. when you heard donald trump's response to the question over whether he was going to pardon some of those rioters who attacked you and 139 other officers that day, what did you think? >> hey, sarah. thanks. thanks for having me on. um, a couple things. uh, there were 140 officers who were injured that day. there were several more who showed up and defended the capitol bravely. and those are the ones, the 140 that were injured. those are the ones who just reported. there were several other officers who just showed up the next day, rubbed some mud on it, as the saying goes, and just showed up and toughed it out. um, but it just goes to show that donald trump is one either misinformed or two, which i believe is lying about what happened that day. he still calls. he calls it a day of love. the people that are sitting in jail now, they're not people who were peacefully protesting or were trespassing or, you know, milling around the capitol building. those are the people. the people that are

you can see me and michael steele on the weekend tomorrow morning, harry dunn will join us and on sundaye have committee co-chair congressman bennie thompson and muriel bowser and that is starting right here at 8:00 a.m. eastern. "the 11th hour" with stephanie ruhle starts now.

you can see me and michael steele on the weekend tomorrow morning, harry dunn will join us and on sunday we have committee co-chair congressman bennie thompson and muriel bowser and that is starting right here at 8:00 a.m. eastern. "the 11th hour" with stephanie ruhle starts now. >>> good evening, i am stephanie ruhle. thrilled to be back with you. welcome to the first nightcap of the new year and the official start of the 119th congress. let's take a deep breath for that. this afternoon both chambers were sworn in and house speaker mike johnson held onto his gavel on the first try it eventually. donald trump did make some calls to put it over the finish line but the president elect is not the only one throwing his weight around. joe biden formerly blocked japan's nippon steel from purchasing u.s. steel citing national security concerns. both responded to the move saying "the president's statement and order to not present any credible evidence of a national security issue is making it clear that this was a political decision. let's bring in our nightcap, senior analyst and ceo of i- 5.a.

tomorrow morning, former capital police officer harry dunn will join us, then we have congressman thompson. that's ahead on msnbc at 8:00 a.m. eastern. that's "the last word." "the 11th hour" with the fabulous stephanie ruhle starts now. >> good evening, once again i'm stephanie ruhle, thrilled to be back with you. welcome to the first nightcap of the new year and official start of the 119th congress. let's take a deep breath for that. both chambers were sworn in and house speaker mike johnson held on to his gavel on the first try --l eventually. donald trump did make calls to put him over the finish line. but the president-elect is not the only one throwing his weight around. joe biden blocked nippon steel nifrom purchasing u.s. steel citing national security concerns. both companies responded saying the president's statement and order do not present any credible evident of a national security issue is making it clear this is a political decision. nightcap is in with us. cbs senior analyst and ceo, host and managing editor of accelerate's daily news podcast, and former chief communication

officers like harry dunn and michael fanone who have been on this program. they deserve all of our gratitude, as do the many, many other officers who were at the capitol that day. cnn political commentators maria and brad todd. today's election certification comes four years to the day after trump supporters tried to overturn our democracy. steven collinson wrote, trump will send a message down through the ages that a president who refuses to accept the results of a fair and free election and incites danger on the capitol and regain power and get away with it. >> i think history will deem donald trump as one of the most violent presidents who allowed violence, who encouraged violence. and i don't think history will judge him well. i agree with steven that voters decided to prioritize the economy before the dangers of democracy. i also believe two things. first one is, i'm a huge believer in things happen for a reason. it might very well have been that if kamala harris had won, there could have been violence because donald trump would have promoted it. donald

remember the valor and bravery of our officers like aquilino gonell who will visit with you and harry dunn and hundreds of officers who put themselves between the capitol, congress, and vice president and a rampaging mob of thousands who was sent by donald trump to try to overturn a presidential election. those people were in the front lines. as long as we remember them and their sacrifice and injuries and the fact their lives and families have been turned upside down, it was a real event. they will not be able to shroud it in conspiracy theory and myths. but, when i was sitting there today, i was thinking of the electoral college. it's an 18th-century institution. it is creaky and given us five popular vote losers. twice in the century, george bush and donald trump in that altered the trajectory of our politics. it marginalizes the vast majority of american people. we have gotten condition to it but it is strange to have an election it comes down to six or seven states and everybody else is watching what happens, pennsylvania, georgia, and arizona. why don't we have an election for presid

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this from former officer harry dunn. the thing top of mine is that i feel american voters let us down adding trump being re-elected feels like a gut punch. how do you think history will remember january 6th and donald trump? >> i think history will remember donald trump for what he did. he was engaged in trying to overturn the constitution of the united states, without an armed mob and sent them to do that task. officers protected the congress and the democracy and we did survive. i'm sorry that the american voters chose donald trump again for the white house, but that is up to voters to decide, not the congress. as i say i have no respect at all for him but i do have respect for our democracy and i intend to uphold it today when we certify the vote. >> looking ahead to the next administration we have seen trump ignore norms or push limits of what's allowed. now that he's gearing up for his second term after winning both popular vote in addition to the electoral college what do you expect him to attempt in the next four

his dream job in law enforcement and is wounded and suffering still from the attack like officer harry dunn, like officer michael fanone and dozens of other police officers who stood up for democracy on that day, as well as people across the country who came forward to testify about this outrageous assault on the american constitutional order. >> let's talk about what is more serious. you say we are in the fight of our lives, it doesn't stop, the fight for democracy doesn't stop. this isn't a commemoration of a day in history, it's a current matter. what's the more important part of this current matter, the fact that donald trump says that when he comes into office he will pardon some or all of those people who were convicted of committing a crime in the course of january 6th events, or the fact that he wants to go after others, people like you, he talked about liz cheney an awful lot and he wants to prosecute people who were investigating january 6. are these equally serious? is one more serious than the other? >> well, it's all part of the same attack on constitutional democracy. look, th

someone we want to talk to about the anniversary, retired capitol police officer harry dunn. to get to your thoughts today four years later and let's start with this topic of conversation. for so many americans what happened that day has been distorted, whitewashed, downplayed, and frankly for some of trump's allies, celebrated. >> thank you for having me on. i want to talk to what mika has said. donald trump said from the beginning this is what he wanted to do which is why meander so many coworkers have campaigned so hard against him and for kamala harris. the american people, i believe, work misled and the officers who defended the capitol on january 6th four years ago. it is snowing here in d.c. i talked to one of my officers and she said the snowstorm came four years too late. imagine if it were snowing four years ago. it has been four years. four long years. let's talk about the pardons. that being, it pulls at my heart and makes me upset. it makes me angry. how could people watch what happened that day and sit there and say they are okay with what happened? those people