capitol police officer, harry dunn, who was in the hearing room today. was this the first time that you have met someone who invaded the capitol that day? >> hey, lawrence thanks for having me on. first time that i know of. looking at that individual, he just looks like some random dude, right? yeah, that's the first time that i knowingly met somebody who was there at the capitol. >> did you anticipate that moment, that he might approach, at the end of the hearing, as a did to all of you officers, to shake hands and apologize? >> you know, at that moment right there, it was kind of an awkward moment. a couple of moments before sergeant gonell removed himself from the hearing room. he was a little overcome with emotion, prior to, you know, when representative raskin spoke about him. and i went out there after him, and we talked, and we had a moment. and then, we came back inside. and then, the last words of the hearing were happening. they were wrapping up. so, i was still focused on, you know, trying to get my head back in the game, so to speak. but no,

it keeps going. >> capitol police officer harry dunn. officer dunn, i'm grateful it you for being back on the show tonight. i know you're heading back to the capitol this evening. i appreciate you very much. >> thanks for having me. good talking to you. >> a poll about how americans feel about the hearings. more than 50% of independents believe january 6th is a threat to democracy. this is what pundits, et cetera, have asked and we have numbers behind this, it shows that at least among independents, 9% more of them since december say yes, they believe that january 6th was an insurrection. other than that, it seems like a lot of this falls along party lines. 90% of democrats believe it was a threat to our democracy and i want to bring in nbc news yamiche alcindor. 60% of people are watching at least some of the hearings. they are tuning in at least to some degree, yet it doesn't seem to have changed that many minds other than that poll we just talked about, yamiche. >> it's really remarkable when you think about the fact that yes, people m

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here is a reminder of some of what we heard from capitol police officer, harry dunn, almost one years within a sentiment that says, everybody is trying to make january six political. well, it's not a secret that it was political. they literally were there to stop the steal. telling the truth shouldn't be hard. fighting on january six, that was hard! >> i now have the honor and privilege of welcoming capitol police officer, harry dunn, joining us tonight. officer dunn, thank you so much for being here. you have been inside the room where the hearings are happening. you've heard the testimony, you've heard the evidence. what does justice look like to you for january six? >> well, first of all, thank you for having me on. it's great to be on the program. justice, what does justice look like? i have to answer that question a lot. and often i struggle with answering it because i don't -- my answer changes selfishly, i want everybody to go to jail and no matter who it is, even if it's all the way up to the former president. but, realistically, we need to do something. the justice departmen

capitol police officer harry dunn. he defended the u.s. capitol on january 6th. ommittee's public hearings. officer dunn, i have to say, i admire your service. i admire your voice. i'm so grateful to get to talk to you today, and i admire that you used your platform to talk about taking care of your colleagues and taking care of one another. it's a pleasure to get to talk to you. how are you doing? >> i'm well, thank you for asking. i'm glad to be here with you. nice to talk with you. >> what do you think of the hearing this week that makes so clear that, on both sides of the equation, trump wanted the extremists there, who hurt you and hurt your colleagues, and they were there because he asked them to be there? >> one of the -- i wish i could say i was shocked about a lot of the revelations that have happened from the committee. i've always had my opinions and my thoughts about what happened and what occurred, but just knowing that this is what really happened and it's not my opinion anymore, these are facts, is like sergeant gonell said in his op-ed, the betraya

harry dunn took that photograph. re-tweeted it, and said, apology offered. >> that's right. >> he is actually gonna join us at 10:00 tonight. we will find out if that's an apology accepted by harry dunn. >> the thing is to connect, to your point to the points that you've all been making, you know, i have had this like obsessive question in my mind, what happened between the hour and 42 minutes, after the loonies all leave, right? you have this amazing, cassidy hutchinson took this picture of giuliani, escorted out by mark meadows, to make sure he didn't double back, and go back to the residence like, he wanted him out, out. so, they're all gone. trump is now alone for an hour 42 minutes. he now knows that they're not seizing the election machines, that ain't happening. he now understands that he's already lost all these legal suits. right, the sydney powell option didn't work. he is now thinking, i'm out of options. i'm out of options to stay in power. who does he call, if anyone? because this isn't some logistical g

that takes some time. >> officer harry dunn, as always, thank you, we appreciate you. >> thank you. >as our first time hearing from pat cipollone's testimony, which included a lengthily testimony, also mike pence for resisting pressure to take part in the former presidents last-ditch scheme to overturn the election on the sixth. >> i thought that the vice president did not have the authority to do what was suggested. under a proper reading of the law. i conveyed that, i think i actually -- somebody in the vice president -- just, i'm not a politician. you know, but you -- know i just said i am a lawyer, this is my legal opinion. but let me tell you this, i say a word about the vice president. i think the vice president did the right thing, i think he did the courageous thing. i have a great deal of respect for vice president pence. i worked with him very closely, i think he understood my opinion. i think he understood my opinion afterwards as well. i think he did a great service to this country. and, i think i suggested to somebody that he should be given a presidential award for his a

harry dunn, it's great to have you back with us this morning.t into some detail about what he went through that day, the injuries that place him in the 18 months since, the word he got from his doctor that he could not continue his career because of those injuries. you have been sitting alongside him in those hearing rooms for the last several weeks. i wonder what it has been like, you know a lot about what has happened that day, but perhaps did not know what was going on on the scenes. the president and the others were not defending you or giving you what you needed. in fact, were clearing a path for the people who came in the hospital and attacked you. >> good morning, thank you for having me. it has been eye-opening. i've always had my opinions about what happened that day. i've had my opinions about the president, but i've always done my job in a manner that it didn't matter who was in office that i do my job and uphold my oath faithfully. that's all i care about, the fax. laying the facts clear out on the table for everybody to see, even th

start with you because you're both at today's hearing sitting with your former colleague, officer harry dunn. the details were disturbing, when it comes to how premeditated and coordinated to january 6th attack was. what was it like to sit there, in that room, and hear that? >> i mean, it just confirmed what i think each and every one of these hearings has led us to understand, that violence was part of the plan all along. , the former president and those in his inner circle like mark meadows, knew that violence was going to play a part in january 6, and that attempts to stop it, in that, they supported the violence that was eventually played out on genera six. the other takeaway, for me, was the absolute cowardice on behalf of each and every member of the trumpet ministration trump administration, when it came to calling out what took place inside of trump's white house. have waited months to hear from these people, but i can't understand it. >> why did you have to wait months, did i get that correct? >> yes, sir. >> we are having a bit of trouble. you guys may want to try to fix the signal

he went to widows to shake hands and hug some of them. 14-year harry dunn talked about it on this networkast night. >> it caught me off guard. and, you know, good for him for apologizing but, you know, he owed an apology to the entire world, to the entire american democracy, to the american people. so i acknowledge his apology but i had other things going on where i'm not accepting it at the moment. >> and that's going do it for this hour. "katy tur reports" starts next. . "katy tur reports" starts next time. it's life's most precious commodity, especially when you have metastatic breast cancer. when your time is threatened, it's hard to invest in your future. until now. kisqali is helping women live longer than ever before when taken with an aromatase inhibitor or fulvestrant... in hr+, her2- metastatic breast cancer. kisqali is a pill that's proven to delay disease progression. kisqali can cause lung problems, or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. tell

police officer and harry dunn is also a u.s. capitol police sergeant. you four. i watch you guys, you're at the hearing every time there's a hearing and i wonder what you're thinking, but i want to start with you because jamie raskin, congressman raskin, had a moment at the end of the hearing that was very emotional for all of us, and you as well. if we could play that. >> sergeant gonell, we wish you and your family all the best. we are here for you. we salute you for your valor, your eloquence, and your beautiful commitment to america. and wonder what former president trump would say to someone like sergeant gonell, who must now go about remaking his life. i wonder if he could even understand what motivates a patriot like sergeant gonell. >> the context of this, obviously, is a doctor just told you that your injuries from january 6th, shoulder and foot injuries i believe, are too severe for you to continue being a police officer. >> yeah. one of the things, given the severity of my injuries i had two surgeries, one on my foot and one on my left should

were appreciate you. >>> and officer harry dunn, we appreciate you, thanks. >>> up next, remember whente was the biggest scandal in white house history. former white house assistant special assistant nick ackerman joins me now with his thoughts on the riveting january 6th hearings. we're back after this. oughts on the riveting january 6th hearings we're back after this. i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three ps. what are the three ps? the three ps of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford, a price that can't increase, and a price that fits your budget. i'm 54, what's my price? you can get coverage for $9.95 a month. i'm 65 and take medications. what's my price? also $9.95 a month. i just turned 80, what's my price? $9.95 a month for you too. if you're age 50 to 85, call now about the #1 most popular whole life insurance plan available through the colonial penn program. it has an affordable rat

justice department official and former prosecutor, also represented the capitol police officers harry dunn at the testimony before the january 6th committee. thank you for being with us. such a significant development, when we know that federal prosecutors are asking these witnesses about the actions of donald trump. what do you see here, david? >> that's the most critical tell to me, john. the grand jury is where criminal cases are built. and from yesterday's reporting we now know the department of justice is going hard, they're going directly at donald trump, they're asking witnesses specific questions about statements that came from donald trump's mouth, what direction he gave to others. he is the hub of this spoke. all roads lead to donald trump in this investigation. and the only question is at the end of the day whether the justice department will have a sufficient quantum of evidence to include him in any charges, including conspiracy to defraud the united states with respect to the fake elector plan. >> it doesn't mean they're going to indict him. but they can't indict him without

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they've been in almost all of these hearings, harry dunn, gonell, and michael hodges.orter in the room heard him say to the officers, i'm really sorry. the end of today's hearing also brought a shocking bombshell from vice chair of the committee, liz cheney. watch. >> after our last hearing, president trump tried to call a witness in our investigation, a witness you have not yet seen in these hearings. that person declined to answer or respond to president trump's call and instead alerted their lawyer to the call. their lawyer alerted us. and this committee has supplied that information to the department of justice. let me say one more time, we will take any effort to influence witness testimony very seriously. >> it's where we begin our coverage this hour with some of our most favorite reporters and friends. jackie alemany is here, "washington post" congressional investigations reporter, also an msnbc contributor. miles taylor is back, former dhs chief of staff during the trump administration. he's now the founder and executive director of the renew america movement.

having the opportunity to interview harry dunn and sergeant gonell.police officer anymore because of injuries he suffered on january 6th. do you think this is a case that should be taken to the country in the midterm campaigns, david jolly? >> absolutely. as democrats continue to build their message for november and going into 2024 that's part of it. it brings home an issue that every american understands and feels and the natural contrast is that in donald trump the former president you had someone putting his own political interests above the security of law enforcement and the security of the nation. to jeremy's point about the republican caucus on capitol hill they side with donald trump. joe biden comes down with where the country actually is. it's an incredibly powerful commercial -- message. it reminds us of the singular failure point of donald trump, which is his own arrogance. he was willing to pursue family separation at the border. he lied about covid and covered up the impact of it. he was willing to create this january 6th moment, includi

that was metropolitan police officer daniel hodges right here on msnbc calling forring had that harry dunnlast week, accountability, for the attack in which he nearly lost his life. michael steele these amount to almost victim statements and they had the effect of cutting through the noise and the humina, humina, humina. he said i looked into the eyes of those that were there to kill me and their brazenness to carry out these crimes and obviously they're responsible for what they did, but it came from trump and it's liz cheney's frame on this whole thing, until you deal with the head of the fish, it's going to continue to swim. >> that's exactly right. everybody there, everybody's presence on the hill that day including the officers who were later called in, the d.c. police who were called to the hill to defend the capitol. they all have an origin story, and at the center of the origin story regarding this event is trump, is that white house, and those within that orbit that allowed this to go on as it did, from the chief of staff who by hook or crook was not able to pull the president bac

lawmakers as their colleagues held their hands in support of them, times when people like officer harry dunn had to look away from the screen and hang his head, because he couldn't continue to watch anymore. that was the emotion that played out in this room that really hung on so many of the words, as we heard, for example, people inside the white house detail time after time that the former president didn't try to call the department of defense, didn't try to call the department of homeland security, no military, no law enforcement, that there was no action taken. a lot of emotion in the room as people who were directly impacted by that lack of action reacted in realtime to getting all of this information. i also think that one of the things on display right now is the strategy of this committee to only use republicans made it very hard -- and we're seeing tweets get deleted in realtime by republicans on twitter trying to say these are republicans who are stooges of democrats, when that's not true. >> let me bring in kristin welker. there had been a big buildup to pat cipallone's testimony.

one of the real genes of the testimony would, say officer harry dunn who actually tweeted, an apology offered. the suggestion of course was perhaps that apology was not accepted. not everybody was ready to apply these two and say that you so much for coming forward. till to answer extra -- for coming forward. should we applaud them for what they have done? and offer it to the committee? >> stephanie why you're trying to get me in trouble? and my personal, life i try to embrace the stem seaborne ethos. ignore the fact that relate to the party and embrace the fact that you showed up at all. i find it difficult to deal with people who even if, yes they were duped by trump and his press machine. they absolutely knew they were signing up for white supremacy. they absolutely knew the racism and the bigotry and her into the trump movement and the trump ethos. they knew they were showing up on january six to enforce white supremacy upon the rest of us. if -- house change and realize he is due, not enough to realize that you were duped. you have to go and then do good work. you have to go and

i had harry dunn on last week and it's impossible to cover his enthusiasm for hanging mike pence comeg that, thank god, did not happen. when you talk to these officers who were -- five of them have lost their lives since the day of the insurrection. sergeant gannell had to retire and he couldn't continue in his chosen path and he's a veteran and couldn't continue as a law enforcement official. what he's enthusiastic for thank god doesn't happen and that's hanging mike pence, but what we now know he knew was that his supporters were armed to the hilt and they were in hand to hand combat with law enforcement agents. >> that exchange, nicole, still chills me because -- let's keep in mind that i wrote for almost a decade at the secret service. what do they spend living, breathing every waking moment doing? making sure there's no gun close to the president. the president is furious and saying to his secret service protectors and his white house deputy chief of staff according to one witness that he wants to let them stay armed and he wants to usher them into a screened area and this is the

capitol police officer harry dunn, police officer michael polon, and current d.c.is it like to hear about donald trump refusing after being pleaded with, please do something, police stop this mob. to hear that he just, he wouldn't. and in fact, the suggestion was made that he wanted the mob to be doing that. not just that he was derelict, but that it was something he wanted them to do? >> for me, it conjures up words that i can't say on television. >> we're on cable, you can say anything, it's late night. let a rip. >> don't tempt me. i mean, it's infuriating. but it's clear to me, that donald trump and members of his administration or a plague on our democracy. that donald trump committed criminal acts and that he should be held criminally accountable for those actions as should the members of his administration and members of our government who participated. >> just to remind our viewers, you voted for donald trump. i don't bring that up as a criticism, i don't want people to think that the people who feel strongly about what happened that day or all liberals, or

to see the four police officers at least three of the four testified and months and months ago harry dunno the capitol hill police, police officers that were the ones who bore the brunt of the attack. these were the ones who were injured, who lost parts of their body. in some cases had traumatic brain injuries. in some cases have posttraumatic stress in the wake of this horrific assault on the capitol. several died by suicide and whether that was because of the trauma or the tramatic brain injury, those are the ones that donald trump when he sent this mob to the capitol, those are the ones trying to protect the lives of individuals and that congress building, whether members of the house or the senate or their staffs or journalists and individuals who in some cases when it comes to house republicans don't stand up for those police officers some house republicans voted against giving them any sort of commendation for protecting the capitol on that day. i find it remarkable not only that there are sides to this horrific event in american history. it should be everyone condemns what happens

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