two greater or people, and i have great confidence in their integrity and wisdom, than professor harry holzerand angela rachidi. i'm going to introduce the two of them. harry, you're first and, angela, you're second. and then i hope we can have some response, some back and forth and some good discussion. i know i've got a couple follow-ups. let me do the introductions first. harry holzer is professor of public policy at georgetown and a fellow at the american institute for research in washington. he is a former chief economist for the united states department of labor and a former professor of economics at michigan state university. he is also a nonresident senior fellow at the brookings institution and the research affiliate of the institute for research on poverty at the university of wisconsin-madison among other affiliations. hehe has authored and edited bos on disadvantaged workers and their employers and labor market policy. he holds a ph.d. in economics from harvard. angela rachidi is a research fellow in poverty studies at aei where she studies the effects of public policy on low inco