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we'll talk more about this with harry houck and criminal defense attorney page paid. harry, let's start with you. i want to put the picture up of the taser and handgun. both have handles. you'll see the picture. is it an easy mistake to make? >> hard for me to believe he made this mistake but you have to look back. the gentleman was 73 years old. you have to look at his mental capacity now. first of all, this guy should not have been on the scene of a professional operation like this going on. this guy is an auxiliary officer. undercover sting operation going. this guy shouldn't be within a mile of this place. a big mistake made by the police department having that man on the scene. >> going back to the weapons for just a second. a handgun would feel different from a taser in weight right? >> look at the color. couldn't you even with your peripheral vision you have a bright yellow weapon in your hand instead of your handgun. now most of the time officers are supposed to have it in the opposite -- if i keep my gun on the right side you keep the taser on the left side. t

former new york harry houck is with me and mark o'mara and sunny hostin, a defense attorney and she'secutor. harry, isn't this another reason why body cameras should be worn? some say it will help with accountability and for training, learning from mistakes and also maybe teach, show the public in some cases how difficult it is, the decisions police officers have to make. >> right, anderson. that's exactly what i was thinking. i'm 100% for police officers wearing these body cams. it will show that officers act correctly out there on the street and it will show if some officers don't act correctly on the street. another big thing you brought up, you're watching those videos showing that the danger police officers put themselves in every day. here, police officers confronted somebody and shot. this is what a police officer worries about every time he confronts somebody who does not want to listen to his demands. >> mark, if you were defending the officer involved in the killing of mr. scott or any officer accused of wrongdoing, is there any possible downside to having body camera footag

. >>> and joining us now harry houck, cnn legal analyst sunny hostin and lawrence kobilinsky of the college of criminal justice. sunny, to hear the chief of police admit wrongdoing on the seat belt buckling and saying medical attention should have been done earlier, how significant? >> i think that is very significant. the strongest statement we've heard from the baltimore police chief and the only question now is will the liability be criminal or civil or perhaps both? because when you say, well they were negligent by not buckling him, they were negligent by not providing medical care that sounds very civil to me. but then he couples those statements with saying there could be possible charges, charges that are criminal in nature. and certainly if any of these actions, let's say the rough ride happened and that was intentional, that could be second-degree murder or manslaughter by vehicle and so i think this is a pretty significant development in this case. >> harry, there were cc tv cameras all over the place and police were saying they were able to track the vehicle. so if there was -- t

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i want to bring in harry houck now, retired nypd detective. you just heard mr.es' attorney making the case. what do you say? >> clearly, this guy didn't do it intentionally to pull his gun out and kill this guy. we could probably say that there was no intent to kill. but what is really strange. why do you have a volunteer officer on a gun buy operation? you know where you got to have detectives. >> he is 73 years old. >> well that's another thing. he is 73 years old, all right. and usually, when you have a taser, you got to have the taser on one side and your weapon on the other. this way you don't make the mistake by pulling your weapon. >> so it's always on the same side. >> it's always on the same tied and your taser is on this side. so how this guy mistakenly did it tells me he did it is so fast he wasn't watching what he was doing, fired, and at the last minute oh my god, i shot at this guy. also you to take into account, okay, this guy is 73 years old. is he mentally capable to be able to do this kind of a job? what is the age limit on reserve officers? ca

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want to bring in our guest, pastor frank reid here in baltimore and sunny hostin in new york, and harry houckry, in terms of police tactics, this is obviously difficult for police in new york when you have protesters kind of mobile like this, moving against traffic and then trying to move into the streets. >> exactly. so, you know, as you can see, there is some arrests made when they go into the street. they're not going to allow the traffic to be blocked or bridges to get blocked. this is an illegal demonstration. so the police are being lenient in letting them walk on the sidewalk, they're being escorted. there's probably hundreds of new york city police officers out there, and when they see -- hello? >> sorry, harry. let me jump in. i want to go to chris cuomo. chris, what's the situation where you are in baltimore? >> reporter: yeah. all right, now, we've had gang members who have been trying to be a force for good here. we had a group of bloods linking arms to tell people it's time to go home, even though there was nobody in the street except them. and then some opposing members got in t

. >> reporter: harry houck is a retired nypd officer. he says lake there are bad people, there are bad cops. what haunts them now, the fired officer's video appearance in court. >> what really caught my eye was the stoic look on his face. i saw no emotion. here was a man standing there who had just murdered a man as a police officer standing there with no emotion at all. i thought that was very, very telling to me. >> reporter: as far as whether or not there's been any effort to track this nationally, we couldn't find anything comprehensive done, not by any governmental agency or defense agency. they've long held the belief that this may be affecting poor minority communities but there's no data to support that. >>> the u.s. is complaining to moscow about what it says is an unsafe and unprofessional maneuver in the skies. the pentagon says an american rc-135 u was flying in international space over the ballot particular sea when a russian military plane intercepted it. russia says the plane was flying towards russia with its trans sponde

cnn legal analyst sunny hostin and retired nypd detective harry houck.mer baltimore police officer today who said that given prisoners what he referred to as a rough ride in a police van was a long-standing technique in the city of baltimore and that basically intentionally not strapping prisoners in and then driving erratically, giving them the so-called rough ride to punish them. have you heard of that? >> i've heard of it. and that -- that could have happened here. we don't know. we don't know how the injuries occurred inside of that 20-minute period inside of the van. it is very likely. those things have seat belts for a reason. because even if the drivers in a car vehicle accident you have to protect the people in the back of that thing. >> professor kobilinsky that there are not sharp edges, does that mean anything. again we don't know if this technique of a rough ride is used but can they get badly injured. there was a case in 2005, a baltimore man suffered spinal injuries after being put in a police van and subjected to a rough ride? >> law enfor

working in the baltimore area and friends with baltimore mayor and retired new york police detective harry houck. it is ten days and not a lot of answers. does that surprise you? >> it does surprise me. because you have the spotlight on baltimore. and you now have six officers that have been suspended and i feel at this point we have very little information. we're talking about a man who was fine before police custody and then suffered a tragic fatal injury. how is it possible that we don't know more. that just doesn't make sense to me and giving everyone a sense of opaqueness and a lack of transparency in the investigation. and understand everyone wants to get it right. i think it is time that we provide answers. >> professor copalin ski, three fracture vertebrae and a crushed voice box, what does that tell you about what went on? >> it is difficult to understand. i don't see how he could have yelled and spoken if the larynx had been crushed. i will say this though. >> this is a dumb question. are we talking about the adams apple? >> yes. the vocal chords. but the damage to the spinal cord coul

. >> reporter: harry houck is a retired nypd detective.ys just like there are bad people, there are bad cops. what haunts houck now, the fired officer's video appearance in court. >> what really caught my eye was the stoic look on his face. i saw no emotion. here was a man standing there who had just murdered a man as a police officer, standing there with no emotion at all. i thought that was very telling to me. >> reporter: as far as whether or not there's been any sort of effort to track this nationally, we couldn't find anything comprehensive done, not by any governmental agency or an outside agency. defense attorneys and activists have long held the belief that this may be predominantly affecting poor minority communities. but there's just no data to support that. kyung lah, cnn, los angeles. >> thank you, kyung. after michael slager was charged with murder and then lost his job as a police officer, you at least some colleagues or friends or supporters to come to his defense. but we haven't seen that yet. so far, the only person who ha

. >> yeah we have to take a break, and harry harry houck and mark o'mara and sunny hostin.talk about how this case has the potential to be a game-changer in this community and beyond. and we will talk about what happens next in this community of north charleston when we come back. ..lisa? julie?! at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card and see your fico® credit score. i am totally blind. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com. my lenses have a sunset mode. and a partly sunny mode. and an outside to inside mode. transitions® lenses automatically filter just the right amount of light. ask for transitions xtractive lenses. extra protection from light... outdoors indoors and in the car. now? can i at least put my shoes on? if your bladder is calling the shots ... you may have a medical condition called overactive bladder ... ...or oab you've got to be kidding me. i've had enough! it's time to talk to the doctor. ask your doctor how myrbe

now with me, harry houck, sunny hostin and a friend of the mayor of baltimore. and lawrence cope lin ski from john jay college of criminal justice. and cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney mark geragos. what do you make of this? the police are saying that he was arrested without force or incident. that was the initial report. >> well they can say that. they can also say they arrested him without any probable cause and for no reason at all. the idea that they're saying they arrested him for suspected criminal activity is nothing more than cop speak for, we were roufting another black man. this idea that they're now saying maybe we should have given him more medical attention because he had asthma -- they broke his neck! that's what the injuries are. this is really i hate to say it we're on here week in week out, what's finally happened is you have cell phone videos now, so you understand what cops do. cops are in these inner city communities roufting these young men in a -- basically a system of criminal justice apartheid which is what we have now. and

and dekalb police officer and harry houck and van jones. chief alexander, what are you seeing on the streets here and why you wanted to be here? >> well, it certainly looked much calmer than last night and that is a good sign. we'll see as the night progresses in terms of the curfew that will be upon us here in a few minutes. we're all very saddened by what we saw last night. it is absolutely horrific. when you have people that live in this community and destroying this community. and in the time i've noted that i've been here on the ground, there are so many people in baltimore that love this community that are out here tonight trying to keep peace and that is so important as every moment goes by. and i think it will play itself out later on too when you have citizens who live in this community, who live in these neighborhoods, who certainly want to protest and talk about their concerns, which are valid ones to them. the good part of this is, however, of course, is the fact they want to do something to make a difference and she don't want

also former nypd detective, harry houck and russell honoree who led the militant response after hurricane katrina. i've seen a lot of people on the streets today protesting and we're seeing larger numbers of people around here in this area. and i wonder if that has to do with the fact that because now there is this sense, these are peaceful protests people from different parts of baltimore feel you know what it's okay to come down it's okay to take part in these protests. >> i think that is certainly part of it. i think another part of it is social media. i've been looking at social media. and the word is getting out. that -- i think people also want answers. i think people are focusing on friday and so i think that's also why we're seeing more of a ground swell in terms of protesters. so i think there is a real momentum moving towards friday because we know that that is the day when the investigators -- at least the police investigators, are going to hand this over to the prosecutors. i think we do anderson need to manage expectations not only for our viewers, but just for the public in

we're back with harry houck from the nypd, sunny hostin, jeffrey toobin as well. as we continue to look at these images throughout the day, there's a real question about what happens as the night progresses? is this in fact, i mean, it seems like in some areas it has, you know, in this case, burned itself out, in the case of this senior center. but what does the night hold? when will national guard units actually arrive on the streets? >> i think it's anyone's guess. i'm just so saddened by this, as someone who's worked in baltimore, lived in baltimore. still have so many good friends in baltimore. this is not the city that i've grown to love. and the terrible thing is, it will take years -- years -- to rebuild these areas and these areas that were so desperate to begin with. i'm actually watching our own coverage in a state of shock and bottom line is, you know, what started out, i think, as peaceful protest, that message is lost, that message is gone. all anyone will now remember is the rioting, is the looting, is baltimore burning, and that is -- that saddens m

harry houck, cheryl dorsey is a retired lapd sergeant and the author of the book "black and blue the creation of a manifesto." thank you both for being with me i appreciate it. harry, let me turn to you first. looking at this the lawyer has now turned over to cnn these documents. "the tulsa world" paper has said some of them are falsified, that this reserve officer did not have the 480 hours of training necessary. regardless of if he did or not, does this call into question whether reserve officers basically voluntary police officers should be able to carry guns and potentially kill people? >> well they do all over the country. you know we don't do it here in new york city but there's reserve officers that carry all over the country. >> but should they be able to? >> should they be able to? i don't know. we have an incidence here where -- i think we've got to look at the age of the gentleman. >> 73 years old. talking about his reflexes. >> i know police officers are forced off the job in some departments at 62. so here's a guy that was 73 years old on the scene where he shouldn't have

joining us to debate this is retired nypd detective harry houck and host of huff host live marc la month for joining us. marc i want to start by putding the meriam webster definition of thug on the screen. it's from the hindi word literally means thief. dates back to 1810. the definition is a brutal roughiarough rough -- ruffian. why is this such a loaded word now? >> words come from text and words are comprised of text. but then you have context. and it's not just what the word means in the dictionary which i agree is very instructive but how it gets taken up. takes on new meaning by say 1837 and becomes a word used by british kolcolonist. right now in 2015 thug is almost exclusively used for black people who make white people uncomfortable in certain kinds of spaces. we saw it with richard sherman last year. we see it with these people in baltimore right now. all of whom are black. >> well hold on, marc. let me challenge you for one second because president obama uses it fairly liberally. he's used it to describe ukrainian rebels describe isis describe al qaeda, he used it this week t

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