we appreciate your point of vuchlt thank you. >> now, bishop harry jackson. bishop, your thoughts on this? >> i think this is overblown. you're dealing with is that fox has a certain image. you're being attacked i think unfairly. and it's someone who grew up whose father saw people lynched and all kinds of things of that nay tushgs i say some folks, especially younger folks like your last guest should build a bridge and get over it we are dealing with the fact that st. nick was actually a real figure. and it doesn't matter what this skin color is, the idea is that harris has is that we're going to denegrate and make him into a penguin. >> somehow that didn't get attention. change santa into a penguin. instead, what i said got attention. >> they're looking for you. i think what we're dealing with now is people would rather thauk about what you're saying in a kind of ideological kind of format instead of dealing with substance, we're not going to get across the race problem until we deal with real issues i think we can. based on mandela. model. based on mlk. i

she's also un happy with the segment and bishop harry jackson is here. thank you for being here. where did i go wrong? >> i think you demanded that santa be white when santa is a imagine -- magical man that flied around in a sled, not a real sled. kids should use their imagination and make him whatever they want him to be. if he's white, black, it doesn't matter. the insistence that he must be white simply because advertisers portrayed him this way in america, i think that was the thing that turned people off. i don't think you're a racist. i don't know what's in your heart. i don't call people reyacists. but the insistence that he must be white is something we should think about. >> how did i demand and insist that he must be white? >> you said he just is white. that is the case. >> okay, but let me stop you there. i was trying to explain this in the talking points. we have already given the spoiler alert at the top of the show. we know there is no santa. he's a mythical character. >> right. >> the only santa i could have been referring to is the commercially driven image of san

she's also unhappy with the segment and bishop harry jackson of hope christian church is also here. thank you for being here. where did i go wrong? >> i think you demanded that santa be white when santa is a magical man that flies around in a sled, not a real sled. kids should use their imagination and make him whatever they want him to be. if he's white, black, it doesn't matter. the insistence that he must be white simply because advertisers have portrayed him this way in america, i think that was the thing that turned people off. i don't think you're a racist. i don't know what's in your heart. i don't call people racists. but the insistence that he must be white is something we should talk about and think about why that is. >> how did i demand and insist that he must be white? >> you said he just is white. that is the case. >> okay, but let me stop you there. i was trying to explain this in the talking points. we have already given the spoiler alert at the top of the show. we know there is no santa. he's a mythical character. >> right. >> the only santa i could have been referri

now, reaction joining us from miami senior pastor in atlanta, from washington bishop harry jackson. bishop jackson what are your thoughts on all of this? >> mandela had a transformation in prison. he said i leave behind anger, guilt and revenge, his life is a story of forgiveness i believe that part of the story is true. and he should be honored as a transformational leader who was transformed and healed the nation. >> do you think you should forgive sharp snon >> i do believe sharpton's motives are questionable. i think that you point out the truth and i don't think he's going to change, he has to regret unforgiveness and i think that is a shame. >> reverend warnok how do you see the day in perspective. >> today was a great celebration of a great man. whose celebration was one born of suffering and deep sorrow. i am just inspired by the legacy of nelson mandela. i think the way in which he pitched a tent large nouf bring together people not normally in the same room is indictive of how we ought to engage one another on these issues. i think the question for nelson mandela and those

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and from washington bishop harry jackson senior pastor of hope christian church in maryland.hop, what are your thoughts on all of. this mandela really had a transformation while he was in prison. when he left robin island he said i leave behind anger, guilt, and revenge. his life is a story of forgiveness. i believe that part of the story is true. he should be honored as transformational leader who was transformed. who brought transformation and healed the nation do you think i should forgive sharpton for what he is doing? i do believe that sharpton's motives sometimes are questionable. but, he yes. i think that ultimately point out the truth. he has seen things through a grid of unforgiveness, perhaps. i think that's a shame. >> allht. reverend, how do you see the day in specific perspective. >> in thank you so much, bill. good to be here with you today. it was a great celebration. of a great man whose celebration was one born of suffering and deep sorrow. i'm inspired by the legacy of nelson mandela. i think the way he pitched a tent large enough to bring together people wh

my guest, tom brokaw, civil rights leader reverend jesse jackson. and harry smith talks to poet maya angelou as she mourns a good friend. >> and that's what he brought, was deliverance and ignorance. >> i'll have all that ahead on "meet the press," sunday, december 8. >>> the world's longest running television program, this is "meet the press." >>> and good sunday morning. it is a day of prayer and reflection in south africa as the nation mourns its former president, nelson mandela. flags are also at half staff at the white house this morning. president obama and the first lady will be going to south africa on tuesday. and former presidents jimmy carter and bill clinton will also be going to south africa this week. nelson mandela will be laid to rest this week. charlene hunter-gault who worked for npr during nelson mandela's presidency, and from new york, special correspondent tom brokaw. here is tom back in 1990 interviewing nelson mandela after he was released from prison. it's a great photo. the reverend jesse jackson is here, one of the first people to gr

my guests, tom brokaw, civil rights leader reverend jesse jackson. and harry smith talks to poet maya angelou as she mourns a good friend. >> and that's what he brought, was deliverance and ignorance. >> i'll have all that ahead on "meet the press," sunday, december 8. >>> the world's longest running television program, this is "meet the press." >>> and good sunday morning. it is a day of prayer and reflection in south africa as the nation mourns its former president, nelson mandela. flags are also at half staff at the white house this morning. president obama and the first lady will be going to south africa on tuesday. and former presidents jimmy carter and bill clinton will also be going to south africa this week. nelson mandela will be laid to rest this week. joining me charlene hunter-gault who worked for npr during nelson mandela's presidency, and from new york, special correspondent tom brokaw. here is tom back in 1990 interviewing nelson mandela after he was released from prison. it's a great photo. the reverend jesse jackson is here, one of the first p

u2's bono, deborah harry and michael jackson who got shy on her. >> i put on james brown and startedng pictures since she was a kid growing up in michigan and florida. >> it's almost like i have to do that to breathe. >> what made you pick up a camera? >> my father was a very serious amateur photographer and like any little girl who wants to connect with her dad, you want to do what he's doing and be part of it. >> reporter: the camera offered something else. >> freedom. >> freedom? >> yeah. freedom. the camera is a passport into people's lives, and i learned so much through other people. >> goldsmith has covered sports and worked for the national gee graph ic graphic, but she's always had a way with musicians. >> and so i would sit in the position that i wanted them to be in or stand or jump or do whatever and i would have them make the picture. that did a number of things to our relationship. they understand my problems and i understand theirs. >> does it work? i mean when you do that -- >> i've gotten a house in aspen and house here. hello. >> she's helped shape the images of arti

she's shot bono deborah harry and michael jackson who got shy on her at the florida's epcot center. >and, of course, he outdanced me. so one of my favorite memories in life, i think, will be dancing with michael in the tunnel of light. >> she's been taking pictures since she was a kid, growing up in michigan and florida. >> it's almost like i have to do that to breathe. >> what made you pick up a camera? >> my father was a very serious amateur photographer and like any little girl who wants to connect with her dad, you want to do what he's doing and be part of it. >> the camera offered something else. >> freedom. >> freedom? >> yeah. freedom. the camera is a passpot into people's lives, and i learned so much through other people. >> goldsmith has covered sports and worked for the "national geographic," but she's always had a way with musicians. >> that's it. yep. and so i would sit in the position that i wanted them to be in or stand or jump or do whatever and i would have them make the picture. that did a number of things to our relationship. they understand my problems and i underst