one of the older thinkers, harry jaffa, "patriotism is not enough: harry jaffa, walter berns, and therguments that redefined american conservatism" about him and walter burns. who was harry jaffa? >> guest: a long-term professor of political philosophy. at claremont men's college, graduate school. he is known for two things above all. one, i won't say rescuing lincoln but directing attention to abraham lincoln as a much more serious thinker that a lot of historians treated him. that was his famous book in 1959 called crisis of a house divided. more notoriously perhaps, he was the principal author of barry goldwater's second speech in 1964 including the famous line extremism in defense of liberty, moderation in defense of justice is no virtue. that was a scandalous line, very controversial and it was scandal was also among a lot of his political philosopher peers because harry jaffa had been a democrat until 1962. a lot of those people were liberal anti-communists and democratic party members. leo strauss cast his first book for adlai stevenson for example. anyway, he is known for thos

john: harry jaffa and walter burns book died. went to the conservative movement lose with them? steven: quite a lot. the fact that they died at the same day at the age of 95, that is like jefferson and adams dying on the same day. i wound a short article saying, adams and jefferson put their feud behind them in later years and burns and jaffa never did. there is a book in that. i will say to to be of things about it. it is intended to be for those are not marinated a academia. it is meant to be in -- an introduction to this unusual world of thought that they represented. i do not have a literary model for. 40 years ago, there was this terrific book written by barry, who taught philosophy at in my you for some time. it was a memoir from the 1930's come into the 1970's. people like irving kristol was in there. a bunch of other figures now forgotten. there -- it was a wonderful memoir and i was trying to emulate that style. john: the book patriotism is not enough came out in 2018. define patriotism. steven: the title refers to the fact that this is one thing that they agreed about.

was asked to do undercover work elsewhere but he answered the crisis call of our nation at the harry jaffaal. he was beaten, beaten, not pushed around, beaten and tased, called a traitor as a mob shouted, kill him with his own gun, kill him with his own gun. he defended our democracy. with absolute courage. ever since, he has spoken out forcefully to make sure people are held accountable, because he knows it could happen again. there are no guarantees except us, all of you. private first class harry done from the united states capitol police. 14 years on the force. on that day he was outside speaker pelosi's office. he stood guard protecting fellow officers who were already injured. he was fighting back insurrectionist across the capitol while being called the vilest, racist names. his own congressman, a true constitutional scholar, jamie raskin, couldn't be here today as he recovers from cancer treatment. he wanted me to say the following. i wrote it down. officer harry dunne acted with courage to defend our institutions and our people. went on to say generations to come will think of him