the question was, what happened to harry jenkins? [inaudible question] >> i did. the gentleman flew long easy, which are experimental home made aircraft with harry jenkins. he was 6'5", they call him the ichabod crane of the pows, and somehow harry, this 6'5" of human, into an a-4 skyhawk. we're not sure how he did that. but he did. he ailes loved flying and came home and built his own airplane, in a garage, in a house i've been in, in coronado, and sadly he was killed in 1999 in a small plane accident, and his family has been wonderfully supportive of this, and i just -- it kills me i didn't get to meet him. everyone says he always had a laugh and just very extraordinary. [inaudible question] >> -- every other year to oshkosh in the long easy, and he told me about this. he never told me about this pow experience but told me every year he to connect with his sons he would fly one in the front, fly from the back seat, and went up to oshkosh there in '99, and i flew in a couple months earlier, and on his way back, he landed at the high desert in arizona, i think aro