i believe -- harry lippman, former u.s. attorney, now host of the talking feds podcast.n incredibly popular podcast. thank you for being here. melissa, this decision overturning roe has criminalized abortion in half of the united states, potentially. put this into perspective for us, for people who with these trigger laws will have 13 states do it immediately. or half the states or more will be going forward. >> there will be a sharp divide in the nine states between those that are hospitable to reproductive rights and those that are not. i would like to push back on what one of those we young women said. she mentioned that she was a resident of maryland and that her rights are secure. it is true that those in blue states continue to have those rights. because so many women will be coming from other states to hospitable blue states, there will be real pressures on access to reproductive care, even in those blue states. even women and primary caregivers in those blue states are going to experience long waits, and accessibility of providers. we will all feel the pinch. the

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also with us, harry lippman, former federal prosecutor deputy assistant up to attorney general, under president clinton. he is now legal affairs for the los angeles times. it's. great to have both of you with us. barbara let me start with you, you have presented huge cases and your career. this is different. though this is not really a case but it is a case to be made to the general public. how do you expect the committee will present its case tomorrow? >> well what we got is a sneak preview of some of the witnesses, i think one of the things that is important here is to make a compelling case. in a courtroom, in a jury, in front of a jury, the jurors are a captive audience. they have to sit there, they have to listen. you don't lose their attention. here, they are all kinds of distractions before the american people. so i think that they need to hear something new. things that they haven't heard before. and i think they need to do it in a way that captures their attention. we've heard reporting that there is likely to be a multi media presentation to see video, i think it'll be very

also with, us harry lippman, former federal prosecutor deputy assistant up to attorney general, undernton. he is now legal affairs for the los angeles times. it's. great to have both of you with, us barbara let me start with you, you have presented huge cases and your career. this is different. though this is not really a case but it is a case to be made to the general public. how do you expect the committee will present its case tomorrow? >> well what we got is a sneak preview of some of the witnesses, i think one of the things that is important here is to make a compelling case. in a courtroom, in a jury, in front of a jury, the jurors are a captive audience. they have to sit there, they have to listen. you don't lose their attention. here, they are all kinds of distractions before the american people. so i think that they need to hear something new. things that they haven't heard before. and i think they need to do it in a way that captures their attention. we've heard reporting that there is likely to be a multi media presentation to see video, i think it'll be very interesting to

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people around him, potentially, actually controlled, instigated, an illegal word, conspired. >> harry lippman thank you for the both of you for staying up late, getting up early for us. and helping us make sense of what will certainly be a dramatic hearing as it gets underway this thursday. greatly appreciate it to the both of you. >> we are gonna go back to steve kornacki for the very latest election results. right after the break. stay with us. stay with us ve mineral action that nourishes and strengthens teeth. patients should act now to prevent sensitivity in the future. the new sensodyne nourish will help patients invest in healthier teeth. open. it's a beautiful word. neighborhoods "open". businesses "open". fields "open". who doesn't love "open"? offices. homes. stages. possibilities. your world. open. and you can help keep it that way. ♪♪ the census tells you a lot about people. you could tell on the census records that at very, very young ages, they were cooks, they were farm hands, they were servants. there's auralia, 4-years old. i have learned a lot about the rest of the family, i

i'll start with, you the degree to which along the lines of what harry lippman another said, we are inat new territory in terms of what the facts and the law are as we know the. >> yes, chris thank you for having me on. i think it's important to note that the january 6th committee and the department of justice even though working in parallel, actually have different goals. the department of justice won't seek legal accountability. they need to see whether criminal law has been violated and whether there is evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. the january six committee is concerned with public accountability. they don't have to be concerned with things like admissibility or every evidentiary concerns. and they don't need to work methodically, then go straight to the top. there can be a disconnect between thend must be ready to indict tomorrow. and where the department of justice might actually be in their somewhat plotting investigation. and i totally get that that can be incredibly frustrating, because on top of that, they are completely silent. so i think that the department o

we have harry lippman is with us tonight to break it all down, after this.thank you >> for the past two weeks, the january 6th committee has been holding hearings, and making the case against donald trump, and against others as well, but quite clearly against trump. tomorrow, they will do the same in their fourth hearing. one of the lingering questions has been whether or not the department of justice is watching this and what they make of it, and whether in the end, they will prosecute the ex president. according to a new abc news poll, nearly 60% of americans think that trump should be charged with a crime, which i say, is honestly a surprisingly high number. as for whether not to charge, assisted attorney general, in the bush administration, a man named jack goldsmith, wrote an op-ed for the new york times laying out three important questions attorney general garland has to consider. quote, first he must determine whether the decision to indict trump is his to make. if it is, and then garland needs to cite, quote, whether he has adequate evidence to indic

joining me now harry lippman, a former deputy assistant -- now host of the talking feds podcast.to this as you saw the panel. did they present the makings of a credible, criminal case against donald trump? is there enough evidence for the doj to press charges at this point? or do you expect there to be, when all is said and done, with all the presentations? >> well, they will decide for themselves but i would say yes for one charge in not quite for another. as to the yes par, you've brought up -- what if he really believes it. what i have taken to calling the kool-aid defense? i think they would never believe it after seeing bill barr, et cetera. the bigger point, i think a lot of people have missed this, it doesn't matter! even under the state of affairs if he has diluted himself, it still doesn't entitle him to impair and interfere with the january 6th hearing. it is a separate crime. it is the one that the evidence to get him is so strong already. what about seditious conspiracy, which is the big one here. the big ticket item they have recently begun to brought against the pro

attorney, harry lippman. he is a legal affairs columnist for the l.a. and tom nichols, contributor, writer for the atlantic. it is good to see you both. harry, help me make sense of what we just watch. what could be the legal implications of that? >> well, you've got to understand that this is a film that was made to lionize trump. trump gave him access, so there is going to be a lot of little things that they are pointing to. but trump is a notoriously uncensored figure. once he starts talking, he doesn't stop. it almost doesn't matter who the audience is or a member his conversations with phil rucker and carroll -- once you wind him up, there is no end to what he will say. so, it's not specifically done as a kind of got to film. he is really just sort of rolling the camera and letting him roll, but we've got trump, we've got trump's inner circle, we've got pence, and it starts from october and before the election, and goes on. so, they are just figures to be a lot of real little treasures coming out. and it's one reason the committee has decided to sto

former press federal prosecutor harry lippman said an outside the box possibility after hearing the evidence presented at yesterday's hearing. quote, not sure if you could convict him of attempted murder of the vice president but not clear you couldn't. this has to be the darkest moment in presidential history. yesterday's hearing included a lot of new revelations about just how close vice president pence was to danger on january the 6th. a committee described how at one point during his evacuation to a secure location, pence was just 40 feet away from the mob. and congressman pete aguilar revealed new information about with a far-right extremist in that mob attended to do. >> recent court filing by the justice department explains, the confidential informant from the proud boys, told the fbi that the proud boys would have killed mike pence if given a chance. >> the committee also confirmed that donald trump knew the capitol had been breach when he sent a tweet condemning mike pence for not having the, quote, courage to do what needed to be done. and the committee showed video evidence of how

attorney harry lippman, an affair columnist for the l.a.alking that's. the january six committee has urged the doj to prosecute trump for the big lie. i want you to take a listen to adam schiff and when he had to say this morning. . >> i would like to see the justice investigate any allegation of criminal activity on the part of donald trump and anyone else. the rule of law needs to apply equally to everyone. there are certain actions and parts of these different lines of efforts to overturn the election that i don't see evidence the justice department is investigating. >> do you think the attorney general have started building a case against trump and he's waiting for these hearings to play out? >> i think he started building a case that could eventually implicate trump. he has convened two grand juries now that are separate from the grand jury is that charged all the actual marauders, and they are focusing on state and government officials. there's really no way to do it credibly. no way except by going to the top. i'm confident that they

much for joining me right, now harry lippman. he is a former u.s. attorney and was deputy assistant attorney general in the committee clinton administration. he is our host of the talking beds podcast. harriet, welcome back. we had the last, weekend so here we go. again if ginni thomas does in fact testify, as she had suggested that she might, what kind of information do you think she could provide specific to this investigation? >> they were treating her very gingerly before a couple of days ago, but what happens as, they keep turning over rocks and there is ginni thomas again. ginni thomas, in the campaign with arizona, ginni thomas talking to mark meadows, ginni thomas talking to eastman. i don't think it has anything to do anymore with justice thomas, and in any event, she won't be forthcoming about those conversations. but they want to know about her in her own right, and also that she can get them information, especially about eastman and meadows and the overall efforts, including but they are going to turn to tuesday about the pressure campai